What you described before was a setting, that would fit my understanding of 'Green Nine', including the personage. I read that German exclamation in an interview the other day, when the person was asked something she/he could not immediately answer, because he/she was not running on expert mode for that specific question at least not at that moment. I liked the verbalization of the larger context without making any person involved looking stupid or arrogant. The greenness of the nine makes it accessible, indicates that it is also only 'bound' in another evolutionary spiral and not the final order of everything. Whereas a person who is said to be "neunmalklug / ninetimessmart" acts from a three times three ordering of points in a magick square. A closed shop mentality would have been fed by this ordering principle, for example. The double binary contrast of 22 is indeed much easier to convey in an argumentative setting and much easier to be acted upon as an individual in a concrete situation and therefore much more forceful.
2013/2/4 archytas <[email protected]> > I have never actually heard anyone say Gorblimey - it was always > something in comic bubbles - the exclamation associated with a > sighting of large mammaries (I never did understand the connection). > I would be inclined to shoot anyone producing a green nine at cards. > Men look at faces, women at bodies. > > On Feb 4, 3:45 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > 'Ach du grüne Neune' (Gorblimey!), as we say in old fairy tale > > languagehere, "to get out of combat duty" is not really the context > > have been > > thinking of. But of course, the military dimension is not to be forgotten > > when introducing new knowledge categories. Thanks for pointing that out > to > > me. > > > > 2013/2/4 archytas <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Currently watching grandson at 15 getting interested in science. He's > > > doing stuff I did at school when 12. Looking at A level exams > > > questions a few months back I found I would probably pass in lots of > > > subjects except the maths and sciences I actually got! On hearing the > > > official version of how WW1 started at 12 the boy refused to believe > > > this was true. How could such atrocity take place just because a > > > couple of upper class old farts were shot up outside a butty bar? I > > > told him about the 'war of Jenkin's ear' and was accused of making it > > > up. He's innocent, even for his age - his mother grew out of it by 30 > > > - and I find myself interested in how these historical fairy tales > > > taught to me as real are so easy for him to dismiss without baggage I > > > drag about on false flags, vile foreign policy, empire and bent > > > politics. > > > > > I sense you are very right and slightly wrong at the same time on this > > > Gabby. The Greeks knew a lot but still kept slaves and had no science > > > a we accept the stuff now. They did have great skills with wood, > > > stone and metals and engineering - much of it very similar to that of > > > the shipyards I worked in. We might actually carry less knowledge > > > about with us these days - grandson isn't taught any of the woodwork > > > or EWTP I got and can't build flat packs. Skills have been replaced > > > by mass production methods and embodied knowledge. Even I don't do my > > > won car repairs and maintenance these days (hurts too much). > > > Meanwhile the golden knowledge mountain of knowing that is a burden on > > > our unskilled bodies, reminding us we can't know it all if we are > > > lucky or blaring what ignorant clowns we are if we aren't. The > > > individual may know how to less whilst living in a knowledge society > > > knowing a lot more that and with a lot of knowledge embodied in > > > machine. Of course, every generation of old farts thinks the ones > > > coming after it are laggardly, idle, arrogant-ignorant and the rest. > > > It seems from grandson teachers that the school can't risk teaching > > > woodwork (who would seriously arm the little vandals with chisels or > > > even teach them to sharpen it to a point). EWTP was unkown and when I > > > explained a little beyond engineering workshop theory and practice (an > > > A level of dummies when I did it) I realised the teachers were > > > appalled anyone had been irresponsible enough to let people like me > > > loose on a lathe at 14. They don't teach woodwork or metalwork these > > > days, the only stuff I have used at home and work. German and French > > > colleagues tell me the decline in school standards is not limited to > > > England. Individual humans generally know less these days, but we > > > know more as a society? > > > > > I meet plenty of people who have been suckered by that combination of > > > literature, film, soap opera, detective fiction, bodice rippers and > > > school teachers who survived university training through York Notes > > > and copying. If people knew more they would be occupying the schools > > > and universities demanding better - Catch 22 is perhaps they are all > > > waiting for classes in occupying! > > > > > On Feb 4, 10:05 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I believe the massive ignorance is based on the myth that we know a > lot - > > > > that we we know so much more than generations before us, that there > is a > > > > constant or exponential growth of knowledge in people. Cause of the > > > > self-interest of educational spin masters et al. I would like to see > real > > > > access to good knowledge, based on real data. I myself plead guilty > of > > > > massive ignorance, which does not allow for a dialogue in many > cases. I > > > > need to start before. > > > > > > 2013/2/4 archytas <[email protected]> > > > > > > > Marx railed against the financial cavaliers. David Ricardo > condemned > > > > > landlords as parasites. Adam Smith had a utopian notion of a debt- > > > > > free society. Keynes saw the rentier as a temporary, transitional > > > > > character in capitalism, seeing a sea-change after the demise of > this > > > > > functionless investor. In terms of good and bad we don't seem to > be > > > > > able to get past thinking calls for change are about unseating > > > > > capitalism and what we have previously soaked-up as good and bad > > > > > without much evaluation. What we have now isn't working for many > > > > > people, the planet and so on. I regard it as immoral to shrug this > > > > > off as to do with luck or glib asides that 'capitalism is imperfect > > > > > but beats all the other games in town' - but how can most people > > > > > actually engage with any dialogue given their massive ignorance? > We > > > > > can hardly start calling people immoral because they haven't > learned > > > > > much about the world beyond the foot of their own stairs. I still > > > > > meet the odd kook who still believes in Stalinism, but Ayn Rand > > > > > neoconservatism is as bad. > > > > > > > On Feb 3, 5:46 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I too think you don't understand rigs and are using language > that is > > > > > > out of date. I have no problems with capitalism per se - though > we > > > > > > sti ll need to do something to prevent wealth being focused in > few > > > > > > hands and perverting our politics. One sees examples I'm sure > we'd > > > > > > both enjoy - farms producing their our butter and cheese from > their > > > > > > own cows, bread from their own wheat - delicious stuff and > typical of > > > > > > what we need more of. A comparatively large cooperative bakery > in > > > > > > which employees take shares based on hours put in. I think we > can > > > and > > > > > > should run capitalism at these levels - the mistake is blowing > it up > > > > > > into something it cannot be and allowing wealth accumulation of > > > > > > obscene kinds that forces monopolies and economic rents on the > rest > > > of > > > > > > us > > > > > > Both communist experiments and giant transnational capitalism > force a > > > > > > situation of centralised capital in few hands and lead to > corruption > > > - > > > > > > we need something else. Our votes are being rendered as > unimportant > > > > > > as any in the old Soviet Union. > > > > > > > > I worked as a company doctor and remain an advocate of lean > > > > > > production. The problem with this is we don't look beyond the > > > > > > consequences for the individual firm. The problem with finance > is > > > > > > that it has taken over the money system instead of becoming a > utility > > > > > > to a broader industrial, agricultural and social system. Profit > > > isn't > > > > > > the problem but rather the distribution and redeployment of it in > > > > > > production and better lives. In my view it is immoral not to > examine > > > > > > the difficulties involved in creating a decent system. > > > > > > > > The entrepreneurs are not what you suggest - at any given time > 40% of > > > > > > them are looking to open the next coffee shop fad and a further > 40% > > > > > > abut to steal business from current employers. The only > innovations > > > > > > I've seen in financial services are the ATM and Internet banking > - > > > the > > > > > > rest of the entrepreneurialism in that sector are thieving tricks > > > that > > > > > > corrupt what money is so it can be stolen - and also make > productive > > > > > > investment much more difficult and working hard for a decent > wage, > > > > > > saving, buying one's house and so on almost impossible. The > argument > > > > > > is less about turning socialist and more about reclaiming > capitalism > > > > > > from those who have stolen and perverted it. > > > > > > On Feb 3, 9:10 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Maybe we can that sounds better they wound't like it much > > > though.. > > > > > > > > > Really rigsy I am all for individuals doing their own thing and > > > making > > > > > > > a profit.. what I am against is the giant corporations that > that > > > are > > > > > > > raping and pillaging the world for the profit of the few at > the > > > > > > > expense of the many and believe me Rigsy you are not the > few.. > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 6:34 AM, rigs <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > I think risk takers are entrepreneurs that start companies- > solo > > > or > > > > > as > > > > > > > > a group- and it's their product/service that should be > judged. > > > It's > > > > > > > > also the investors who support that company. Both need > capital to > > > > > > > > invest- private funds or a loan. Both expect a reward- > ususally > > > > > > > > financial. Sometimes workers are included in the reward > system. > > > Who > > > > > > > > owns the farm, the company, the store? Who deserves the > family > > > > > > > > inheritance? Etc. Why punish capitalism? > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 2, 9:11 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> No problems with that analysis rigs and thinking about it I > do > > > > > gamble > > > > > > > >> like that with real friends (usually bridge). I'd have to > > > quibble > > > > > on > > > > > > > >> the dictionary definition - this isn't quite what "rents" > are in > > > > > > > >> economics. I'd have to go on a lot to explain in full. > Rigs > > > hits > > > > > the > > > > > > > >> key element anyway - 'systems that the average person cannot > > > access > > > > > or > > > > > > > >> control'. Oil has been a classic example of economic rent - > > > this > > > > > was > > > > > > > >> largely done by controlling distribution in order to > extract a > > > much > > > > > > > >> higher price that production costs - this included > preventing > > > new > > > > > > > >> sources of supply in the market until well after WW2. > Barings > > > Bank > > > > > > > >> was involved in a typical example of false monopoly trading > over > > > > > > > >> cochineal in the 18th century (it was then a major > > > > ... > > > > read more » > > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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