I have never actually heard anyone say Gorblimey - it was always something in comic bubbles - the exclamation associated with a sighting of large mammaries (I never did understand the connection). I would be inclined to shoot anyone producing a green nine at cards. Men look at faces, women at bodies.
On Feb 4, 3:45 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > 'Ach du grüne Neune' (Gorblimey!), as we say in old fairy tale > languagehere, "to get out of combat duty" is not really the context > have been > thinking of. But of course, the military dimension is not to be forgotten > when introducing new knowledge categories. Thanks for pointing that out to > me. > > 2013/2/4 archytas <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > Currently watching grandson at 15 getting interested in science. He's > > doing stuff I did at school when 12. Looking at A level exams > > questions a few months back I found I would probably pass in lots of > > subjects except the maths and sciences I actually got! On hearing the > > official version of how WW1 started at 12 the boy refused to believe > > this was true. How could such atrocity take place just because a > > couple of upper class old farts were shot up outside a butty bar? I > > told him about the 'war of Jenkin's ear' and was accused of making it > > up. He's innocent, even for his age - his mother grew out of it by 30 > > - and I find myself interested in how these historical fairy tales > > taught to me as real are so easy for him to dismiss without baggage I > > drag about on false flags, vile foreign policy, empire and bent > > politics. > > > I sense you are very right and slightly wrong at the same time on this > > Gabby. The Greeks knew a lot but still kept slaves and had no science > > a we accept the stuff now. They did have great skills with wood, > > stone and metals and engineering - much of it very similar to that of > > the shipyards I worked in. We might actually carry less knowledge > > about with us these days - grandson isn't taught any of the woodwork > > or EWTP I got and can't build flat packs. Skills have been replaced > > by mass production methods and embodied knowledge. Even I don't do my > > won car repairs and maintenance these days (hurts too much). > > Meanwhile the golden knowledge mountain of knowing that is a burden on > > our unskilled bodies, reminding us we can't know it all if we are > > lucky or blaring what ignorant clowns we are if we aren't. The > > individual may know how to less whilst living in a knowledge society > > knowing a lot more that and with a lot of knowledge embodied in > > machine. Of course, every generation of old farts thinks the ones > > coming after it are laggardly, idle, arrogant-ignorant and the rest. > > It seems from grandson teachers that the school can't risk teaching > > woodwork (who would seriously arm the little vandals with chisels or > > even teach them to sharpen it to a point). EWTP was unkown and when I > > explained a little beyond engineering workshop theory and practice (an > > A level of dummies when I did it) I realised the teachers were > > appalled anyone had been irresponsible enough to let people like me > > loose on a lathe at 14. They don't teach woodwork or metalwork these > > days, the only stuff I have used at home and work. German and French > > colleagues tell me the decline in school standards is not limited to > > England. Individual humans generally know less these days, but we > > know more as a society? > > > I meet plenty of people who have been suckered by that combination of > > literature, film, soap opera, detective fiction, bodice rippers and > > school teachers who survived university training through York Notes > > and copying. If people knew more they would be occupying the schools > > and universities demanding better - Catch 22 is perhaps they are all > > waiting for classes in occupying! > > > On Feb 4, 10:05 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I believe the massive ignorance is based on the myth that we know a lot - > > > that we we know so much more than generations before us, that there is a > > > constant or exponential growth of knowledge in people. Cause of the > > > self-interest of educational spin masters et al. I would like to see real > > > access to good knowledge, based on real data. I myself plead guilty of > > > massive ignorance, which does not allow for a dialogue in many cases. I > > > need to start before. > > > > 2013/2/4 archytas <[email protected]> > > > > > Marx railed against the financial cavaliers. David Ricardo condemned > > > > landlords as parasites. Adam Smith had a utopian notion of a debt- > > > > free society. Keynes saw the rentier as a temporary, transitional > > > > character in capitalism, seeing a sea-change after the demise of this > > > > functionless investor. In terms of good and bad we don't seem to be > > > > able to get past thinking calls for change are about unseating > > > > capitalism and what we have previously soaked-up as good and bad > > > > without much evaluation. What we have now isn't working for many > > > > people, the planet and so on. I regard it as immoral to shrug this > > > > off as to do with luck or glib asides that 'capitalism is imperfect > > > > but beats all the other games in town' - but how can most people > > > > actually engage with any dialogue given their massive ignorance? We > > > > can hardly start calling people immoral because they haven't learned > > > > much about the world beyond the foot of their own stairs. I still > > > > meet the odd kook who still believes in Stalinism, but Ayn Rand > > > > neoconservatism is as bad. > > > > > On Feb 3, 5:46 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I too think you don't understand rigs and are using language that is > > > > > out of date. I have no problems with capitalism per se - though we > > > > > sti ll need to do something to prevent wealth being focused in few > > > > > hands and perverting our politics. One sees examples I'm sure we'd > > > > > both enjoy - farms producing their our butter and cheese from their > > > > > own cows, bread from their own wheat - delicious stuff and typical of > > > > > what we need more of. A comparatively large cooperative bakery in > > > > > which employees take shares based on hours put in. I think we can > > and > > > > > should run capitalism at these levels - the mistake is blowing it up > > > > > into something it cannot be and allowing wealth accumulation of > > > > > obscene kinds that forces monopolies and economic rents on the rest > > of > > > > > us > > > > > Both communist experiments and giant transnational capitalism force a > > > > > situation of centralised capital in few hands and lead to corruption > > - > > > > > we need something else. Our votes are being rendered as unimportant > > > > > as any in the old Soviet Union. > > > > > > I worked as a company doctor and remain an advocate of lean > > > > > production. The problem with this is we don't look beyond the > > > > > consequences for the individual firm. The problem with finance is > > > > > that it has taken over the money system instead of becoming a utility > > > > > to a broader industrial, agricultural and social system. Profit > > isn't > > > > > the problem but rather the distribution and redeployment of it in > > > > > production and better lives. In my view it is immoral not to examine > > > > > the difficulties involved in creating a decent system. > > > > > > The entrepreneurs are not what you suggest - at any given time 40% of > > > > > them are looking to open the next coffee shop fad and a further 40% > > > > > abut to steal business from current employers. The only innovations > > > > > I've seen in financial services are the ATM and Internet banking - > > the > > > > > rest of the entrepreneurialism in that sector are thieving tricks > > that > > > > > corrupt what money is so it can be stolen - and also make productive > > > > > investment much more difficult and working hard for a decent wage, > > > > > saving, buying one's house and so on almost impossible. The argument > > > > > is less about turning socialist and more about reclaiming capitalism > > > > > from those who have stolen and perverted it. > > > > > On Feb 3, 9:10 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Maybe we can that sounds better they wound't like it much > > though.. > > > > > > > Really rigsy I am all for individuals doing their own thing and > > making > > > > > > a profit.. what I am against is the giant corporations that that > > are > > > > > > raping and pillaging the world for the profit of the few at the > > > > > > expense of the many and believe me Rigsy you are not the few.. > > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 6:34 AM, rigs <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I think risk takers are entrepreneurs that start companies- solo > > or > > > > as > > > > > > > a group- and it's their product/service that should be judged. > > It's > > > > > > > also the investors who support that company. Both need capital to > > > > > > > invest- private funds or a loan. Both expect a reward- ususally > > > > > > > financial. Sometimes workers are included in the reward system. > > Who > > > > > > > owns the farm, the company, the store? Who deserves the family > > > > > > > inheritance? Etc. Why punish capitalism? > > > > > > > > On Feb 2, 9:11 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >> No problems with that analysis rigs and thinking about it I do > > > > gamble > > > > > > >> like that with real friends (usually bridge). I'd have to > > quibble > > > > on > > > > > > >> the dictionary definition - this isn't quite what "rents" are in > > > > > > >> economics. I'd have to go on a lot to explain in full. Rigs > > hits > > > > the > > > > > > >> key element anyway - 'systems that the average person cannot > > access > > > > or > > > > > > >> control'. Oil has been a classic example of economic rent - > > this > > > > was > > > > > > >> largely done by controlling distribution in order to extract a > > much > > > > > > >> higher price that production costs - this included preventing > > new > > > > > > >> sources of supply in the market until well after WW2. Barings > > Bank > > > > > > >> was involved in a typical example of false monopoly trading over > > > > > > >> cochineal in the 18th century (it was then a major > > ... > > read more » -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
