Revenge never yields anything , the thing is that we remove ourselves from further harm in a manner howsoever possible. Getting satisfaction from retribution is primitive , not to be indulged in.
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > It is one thing to have such thoughts when we perceive that we have been > wronged, it is another to sell on the thoughts and still another to act on > it. Usually, it is the thought that we have been wronged that needs > examining because more often than not, we do not have all the facts or > misinterpreted someones intention or other confusion in our own > perception. That leaves us with the cases, like someone murdered, that are > more clear cut. > > My interpretation of the christian "turn the other cheek" is that it > requires us to gain perspective and look for the bigger picture. > Sometimes, having more information about the circumstance will give us > this, sometimes not. Forgiveness and turning the other cheek does not > require us to continue to be wronged again and again, or to deem the > behavior "right" or justifiable. It does require us, after we remove > ourselves from harm, to see all life as sacred and changing, and reconnect > with our own love of life, in spite of the sorrow and horror in the world. > Anyone who can do this once, can do it again. If we do it enough, we can > sustain it. If it becomes our natural state, we've found a way to live this > life with peace in our hearts. No small task. > > On Monday, October 20, 2014 7:50:36 AM UTC-4, pol.science kid wrote: >> >> Yeah .. the thing is.. we think that some people deserve the hurt they >> get... might be from us.. or from someone else... how do we restore >> balance.. what intrigues me is forgiveness.. do you think someone can >> forgive the murder of their loved one... or some great financial/material >> loss... now Gandhi comes to my mind.. i never quite agree with his >> thought.. although having been instructed on him since school.. he believes >> the turn the other cheek Christianity virtue... but its just so hard to >> conceive... maybe we cant escape our moral judgement world in any way.. >> maybe we take revenge becos we think we owe it to ourselves the defense >> against wrong.. really confusing stuff all this.. >> >> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 2:23 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Chimps do revenge - if you inject one as a vet it will bite you if given >>> the chance over the next couple of days. Films give us a sense of justice >>> from revenge, though examples I've seen in reality have been pathetic and >>> misguided. >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, 19 October 2014 19:18:30 UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>> >>>> The problem today is there is little to be ashamed about, the mentality >>>> seems to lead to what one can get away with. The only shame is in getting >>>> caught..:-) >>>> >>>> That is the political moral standard demonstrated by many politicians, >>>> business and religious leaders today. >>>> >>>> >>>> Allan >>>> A Living Soul >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 3:59 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Revenge >>>> >>>> The moral gauge I suggest to kids is "never do anything you would not >>>> want everyone to know about." The age of transparency. >>>> >>>> On Sunday, October 19, 2014 9:35:46 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>> >>>>> When the blind follow the blind they both will fall into a pit. >>>>> >>>>> Looking at the justification for moral values little should surprise >>>>> anyone. The actions vs talk how can there be morals. I was talking with my >>>>> daughter and she made the comment to me that was an honor yet kind of >>>>> strange. When she had a situation that she did not know how to deal with >>>>> it >>>>> she always asked herself how would my Dad handle it? >>>>> >>>>> Who are the moral compasses today? Who are our guides? Or is it simply >>>>> does it really matter as all there is what one sees? >>>>> >>>>> Allan >>>>> A Living Soul >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Sent: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 3:09 PM >>>>> Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Revenge >>>>> >>>>> I don't know what percentage of humanity is capable or observing self >>>>> and correcting self, but the longer I live, the smaller I think that >>>>> number >>>>> may be. As I look around, i see so many of the people around me acting out >>>>> their emotions (revenge among them) on others. Not always easy to see if >>>>> they know just what they are doing and why. >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, October 19, 2014 8:28:54 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Complex stuff Pol. I get the feelings, but can't remember doing much >>>>>> about them. Politicians raise it in me as soon as their lips move. So >>>>>> does my grandson (currently idle, smelly teenager), though 'tough love' >>>>>> doesn't appeal. Academic criticism often feels a form of it and a lot of >>>>>> projection and ad hom is involved. In my time, cops used to beat up sex >>>>>> offenders, largely on the basis the court system didn't work. I used to >>>>>> pursue them for other crimes. There is nothing more exhilarating than >>>>>> pointing out the flaws in others (from the movie Clerks), a sort of >>>>>> revenge. Many lecturing colleagues took revenge out on students - >>>>>> education generally looks pretty nasty to me. >>>>>> >>>>>> I like to think I can walk away from it, as in not retaliating in >>>>>> rugby, but I always did within the rules. Human behaviour is so dire we >>>>>> might be in a constant state of vendetta. In films the black hats are >>>>>> set >>>>>> up as so bad they deserve what they get. In reality, we tend to take out >>>>>> revenge on powerless victims. Child sexual exploitation may be an >>>>>> example. The victim is usually subject to multiple acts of revenge from >>>>>> supposedly decent people. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, 19 October 2014 12:13:23 UTC+1, pol.science kid wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I was on the internet.. and just came across this tv series called >>>>>>> "revenge".. and i was thinking... are we capable of not taking revenge.. >>>>>>> regarding matters that affect us too deeply... i have pretty mean >>>>>>> vengeful >>>>>>> feelings when i feel i have been wronged unjustly.. of course when i >>>>>>> cant >>>>>>> do anything in the situation i act out my revenge mentally.. plan >>>>>>> something >>>>>>> to get back to the person ... its quite a revelation when you think >>>>>>> yourself quite a decent person.. What do you guys think of revenge.. its >>>>>>> dealt with in every movie and television series or novel.. and of course >>>>>>> what our instructive morality from 'elders' says is that do not take >>>>>>> revenge.. But i think forgiveness is a capacity.. and we are so inclined >>>>>>> for revenge.. Since most of you have pretty varied experience in life.. >>>>>>> Have any of you ever taken revenge.. or decided not to? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> -- >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> EverComing >> > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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