Revenge never yields anything , the thing is that we remove ourselves from
further harm in a manner howsoever possible. Getting satisfaction from
retribution is primitive , not to be indulged in.

On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote:

> It is one thing to have such thoughts when we perceive that we have been
> wronged, it is another to sell on the thoughts and still another to act on
> it.  Usually, it is the thought that we have been wronged that needs
> examining because more often than not, we do not have all the facts or
> misinterpreted someones intention or other confusion in our own
> perception.  That leaves us with the cases, like someone murdered, that are
> more clear cut.
>
> My interpretation of the christian "turn the other cheek" is that it
> requires us to gain perspective and look for the bigger picture.
> Sometimes, having more information about the circumstance will give us
> this, sometimes not. Forgiveness and turning the other cheek does not
> require us to continue to be wronged again and again, or to deem the
> behavior "right" or justifiable. It does require us, after we remove
> ourselves from harm, to see all life as sacred and changing, and reconnect
> with our own love of life, in spite of the sorrow and horror in the world.
> Anyone who can do this once, can do it again.  If we do it enough, we can
> sustain it. If it becomes our natural state, we've found a way to live this
> life with peace in our hearts. No small task.
>
> On Monday, October 20, 2014 7:50:36 AM UTC-4, pol.science kid wrote:
>>
>> Yeah .. the thing is.. we think that some people deserve the hurt they
>> get... might be from us.. or from someone else... how do we restore
>> balance.. what intrigues me is forgiveness.. do you think someone can
>> forgive the murder of their loved one... or some great financial/material
>> loss... now Gandhi comes to my mind.. i never quite agree with his
>> thought.. although having been instructed on him since school.. he believes
>> the turn the other cheek Christianity virtue... but its just so hard to
>> conceive... maybe we cant escape our moral judgement world in any way..
>> maybe we take revenge becos we think we owe it to ourselves the defense
>> against wrong.. really confusing stuff all this..
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 2:23 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Chimps do revenge - if you inject one as a vet it will bite you if given
>>> the chance over the next couple of days.  Films give us a sense of justice
>>> from revenge, though examples I've seen in reality have been pathetic and
>>> misguided.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 19 October 2014 19:18:30 UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The problem today is there is little to be ashamed about, the mentality
>>>> seems to lead to what one can get away with. The only shame is in getting
>>>> caught..:-)
>>>>
>>>> That is the political moral standard demonstrated by many politicians,
>>>> business and religious leaders today.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Allan
>>>> A Living Soul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]>
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Sent: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 3:59 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Revenge
>>>>
>>>> The moral gauge I suggest to kids is "never do anything you would not
>>>> want everyone to know about."  The age of transparency.
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, October 19, 2014 9:35:46 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> When the blind follow the blind they both will fall into a pit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking at the justification for moral values little should surprise
>>>>> anyone. The actions vs talk how can there be morals. I was talking with my
>>>>> daughter and she made the comment to me that was an honor yet kind of
>>>>> strange. When she had a situation that she did not know how to deal with 
>>>>> it
>>>>> she always asked herself how would my Dad handle it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Who are the moral compasses today? Who are our guides? Or is it simply
>>>>> does it really matter as all there is what one sees?
>>>>>
>>>>> Allan
>>>>> A Living Soul
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]>
>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>> Sent: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 3:09 PM
>>>>> Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Revenge
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know what percentage of humanity is capable or observing self
>>>>> and correcting self, but the longer I live, the smaller I think that 
>>>>> number
>>>>> may be. As I look around, i see so many of the people around me acting out
>>>>> their emotions (revenge among them) on others. Not always easy to see if
>>>>> they know just what they are doing and why.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, October 19, 2014 8:28:54 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Complex stuff Pol.  I get the feelings, but can't remember doing much
>>>>>> about them.  Politicians raise it in me as soon as their lips move.  So
>>>>>> does my grandson (currently idle, smelly teenager), though 'tough love'
>>>>>> doesn't appeal.  Academic criticism often feels a form of it and a lot of
>>>>>> projection and ad hom is involved.  In my time, cops used to beat up sex
>>>>>> offenders, largely on the basis the court system didn't work.  I used to
>>>>>> pursue them for other crimes.  There is nothing more exhilarating than
>>>>>> pointing out the flaws in others (from the movie Clerks), a sort of
>>>>>> revenge.  Many lecturing colleagues took revenge out on students -
>>>>>> education generally looks pretty nasty to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I like to think I can walk away from it, as in not retaliating in
>>>>>> rugby, but I always did within the rules.  Human behaviour is so dire we
>>>>>> might be in a constant state of vendetta.  In films the black hats are 
>>>>>> set
>>>>>> up as so bad they deserve what they get.  In reality, we tend to take out
>>>>>> revenge on powerless victims.  Child sexual exploitation may be an
>>>>>> example.  The victim is usually subject to multiple acts of revenge from
>>>>>> supposedly decent people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, 19 October 2014 12:13:23 UTC+1, pol.science kid wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was on the internet.. and just came across this tv series called
>>>>>>> "revenge".. and i was thinking... are we capable of not taking revenge..
>>>>>>> regarding matters that affect us too deeply... i have pretty mean 
>>>>>>> vengeful
>>>>>>> feelings when i feel i have been wronged unjustly.. of course when i 
>>>>>>> cant
>>>>>>> do anything in the situation i act out my revenge mentally.. plan 
>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>> to get back to the person ... its quite a revelation when you think
>>>>>>> yourself quite a decent person.. What do you guys think of revenge.. its
>>>>>>> dealt with in every movie and television series or novel.. and of course
>>>>>>> what our instructive morality from 'elders' says is that do not take
>>>>>>> revenge.. But i think forgiveness is a capacity.. and we are so inclined
>>>>>>> for revenge.. Since most of you have pretty varied experience in life..
>>>>>>> Have any of you ever taken revenge.. or decided not to?
>>>>>>>
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