I agree with RP really - yet the classic pep talk in rugby was 'get the retaliation in first'. Sometimes, we confuse revenge with setting things right.
On Monday, 20 October 2014 16:51:45 UTC+1, RP Singh wrote: > > Revenge never yields anything , the thing is that we remove ourselves from > further harm in a manner howsoever possible. Getting satisfaction from > retribution is primitive , not to be indulged in. > > On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > >> It is one thing to have such thoughts when we perceive that we have been >> wronged, it is another to sell on the thoughts and still another to act on >> it. Usually, it is the thought that we have been wronged that needs >> examining because more often than not, we do not have all the facts or >> misinterpreted someones intention or other confusion in our own >> perception. That leaves us with the cases, like someone murdered, that are >> more clear cut. >> >> My interpretation of the christian "turn the other cheek" is that it >> requires us to gain perspective and look for the bigger picture. >> Sometimes, having more information about the circumstance will give us >> this, sometimes not. Forgiveness and turning the other cheek does not >> require us to continue to be wronged again and again, or to deem the >> behavior "right" or justifiable. It does require us, after we remove >> ourselves from harm, to see all life as sacred and changing, and reconnect >> with our own love of life, in spite of the sorrow and horror in the world. >> Anyone who can do this once, can do it again. If we do it enough, we can >> sustain it. If it becomes our natural state, we've found a way to live this >> life with peace in our hearts. No small task. >> >> On Monday, October 20, 2014 7:50:36 AM UTC-4, pol.science kid wrote: >>> >>> Yeah .. the thing is.. we think that some people deserve the hurt they >>> get... might be from us.. or from someone else... how do we restore >>> balance.. what intrigues me is forgiveness.. do you think someone can >>> forgive the murder of their loved one... or some great financial/material >>> loss... now Gandhi comes to my mind.. i never quite agree with his >>> thought.. although having been instructed on him since school.. he believes >>> the turn the other cheek Christianity virtue... but its just so hard to >>> conceive... maybe we cant escape our moral judgement world in any way.. >>> maybe we take revenge becos we think we owe it to ourselves the defense >>> against wrong.. really confusing stuff all this.. >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 2:23 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Chimps do revenge - if you inject one as a vet it will bite you if >>>> given the chance over the next couple of days. Films give us a sense of >>>> justice from revenge, though examples I've seen in reality have been >>>> pathetic and misguided. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sunday, 19 October 2014 19:18:30 UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The problem today is there is little to be ashamed about, the >>>>> mentality seems to lead to what one can get away with. The only shame is >>>>> in >>>>> getting caught..:-) >>>>> >>>>> That is the political moral standard demonstrated by many politicians, >>>>> business and religious leaders today. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Allan >>>>> A Living Soul >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Sent: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 3:59 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Revenge >>>>> >>>>> The moral gauge I suggest to kids is "never do anything you would not >>>>> want everyone to know about." The age of transparency. >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, October 19, 2014 9:35:46 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> When the blind follow the blind they both will fall into a pit. >>>>>> >>>>>> Looking at the justification for moral values little should surprise >>>>>> anyone. The actions vs talk how can there be morals. I was talking with >>>>>> my >>>>>> daughter and she made the comment to me that was an honor yet kind of >>>>>> strange. When she had a situation that she did not know how to deal with >>>>>> it >>>>>> she always asked herself how would my Dad handle it? >>>>>> >>>>>> Who are the moral compasses today? Who are our guides? Or is it >>>>>> simply does it really matter as all there is what one sees? >>>>>> >>>>>> Allan >>>>>> A Living Soul >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Sent: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 3:09 PM >>>>>> Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Revenge >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't know what percentage of humanity is capable or observing self >>>>>> and correcting self, but the longer I live, the smaller I think that >>>>>> number >>>>>> may be. As I look around, i see so many of the people around me acting >>>>>> out >>>>>> their emotions (revenge among them) on others. Not always easy to see if >>>>>> they know just what they are doing and why. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, October 19, 2014 8:28:54 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Complex stuff Pol. I get the feelings, but can't remember doing >>>>>>> much about them. Politicians raise it in me as soon as their lips >>>>>>> move. >>>>>>> So does my grandson (currently idle, smelly teenager), though 'tough >>>>>>> love' >>>>>>> doesn't appeal. Academic criticism often feels a form of it and a lot >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> projection and ad hom is involved. In my time, cops used to beat up >>>>>>> sex >>>>>>> offenders, largely on the basis the court system didn't work. I used >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> pursue them for other crimes. There is nothing more exhilarating than >>>>>>> pointing out the flaws in others (from the movie Clerks), a sort of >>>>>>> revenge. Many lecturing colleagues took revenge out on students - >>>>>>> education generally looks pretty nasty to me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I like to think I can walk away from it, as in not retaliating in >>>>>>> rugby, but I always did within the rules. Human behaviour is so dire >>>>>>> we >>>>>>> might be in a constant state of vendetta. In films the black hats are >>>>>>> set >>>>>>> up as so bad they deserve what they get. In reality, we tend to take >>>>>>> out >>>>>>> revenge on powerless victims. Child sexual exploitation may be an >>>>>>> example. The victim is usually subject to multiple acts of revenge >>>>>>> from >>>>>>> supposedly decent people. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sunday, 19 October 2014 12:13:23 UTC+1, pol.science kid wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I was on the internet.. and just came across this tv series called >>>>>>>> "revenge".. and i was thinking... are we capable of not taking >>>>>>>> revenge.. >>>>>>>> regarding matters that affect us too deeply... i have pretty mean >>>>>>>> vengeful >>>>>>>> feelings when i feel i have been wronged unjustly.. of course when i >>>>>>>> cant >>>>>>>> do anything in the situation i act out my revenge mentally.. plan >>>>>>>> something >>>>>>>> to get back to the person ... its quite a revelation when you think >>>>>>>> yourself quite a decent person.. What do you guys think of revenge.. >>>>>>>> its >>>>>>>> dealt with in every movie and television series or novel.. and of >>>>>>>> course >>>>>>>> what our instructive morality from 'elders' says is that do not take >>>>>>>> revenge.. But i think forgiveness is a capacity.. and we are so >>>>>>>> inclined >>>>>>>> for revenge.. Since most of you have pretty varied experience in >>>>>>>> life.. >>>>>>>> Have any of you ever taken revenge.. or decided not to? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> EverComing >>> >> -- >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> ""Minds Eye"" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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