Remember Neil Revenge is not sweet if taken to soon..! Allan Living Soul
-----Original Message----- From: archytas <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 7:10 PM Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Revenge 'Twisted Facilitator' sounds a good logo for a sculpture Tony! King James was, of course, a Scot. Just fixed my gmail after two weeks down - plotting revenge ... On Tuesday, 21 October 2014 17:52:46 UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: > > What difference does it make, ? > Nothing said here is so important it requires special attention. > > Revenge is something not worth doing. lol, but I am aware of a lot of > people that would like to take revenge.. Foolish at best usually ill > thought out. > > Allan > Living Soul > > -----Original Message----- > From: "'facilitator' via \"Minds Eye\"" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 6:16 PM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Revenge > > Mr. Heretic. > > This is not the "Aliens" thread. > > I never said it was spoken english. It was a latin vulgate translation > anyway, with "enhancements". > > On Tuesday, October 21, 2014 12:04:05 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> Tony king james english was never a spoken english. >> >> As for aliens the problems you are creating in your mind were all >> factored in.. The real possibility is actually much greater. 10 in the >> minimum possible.. >> >> Allan >> Living Soul >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "'facilitator' via \"Minds Eye\"" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 5:25 PM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Revenge >> >> My twisted point was that we as a society or individuals can determine >> right from wrong with >> Jurisprudence. "Judge not lest ye be judged" refers to condemnation. >> >> >> On Monday, October 20, 2014 7:01:22 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote: >>> >>> Judges also mislead juries Tony. I am not sure on Gabby's 'parrot's wee >>> I', suspecting much revenge is communal and to do with loss of face, as in >>> honour killings and genocides. Judging often lacks judgement in the >>> semantics of it all. Some revenge is sweet, as in an England win in the >>> coming 4 Nation's Rugby League would be. In RP's moral terms, revenge is >>> futile. The word, of course, is slippery. Taking revenge in terms of >>> sentencing also carries deterrence. >>> >>> On Monday, 20 October 2014 21:49:06 UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>> >>>> Gabby have ever considered reading what is said rather than what you >>>> appear to want it to say..?¿ >>>> >>>> It seems a good example of being judgmental. >>>> >>>> Allan >>>> Living Soul >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Gabby <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 8:43 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Revenge >>>> >>>> Stop barking at my Poly by telling her to pray for the Jesus' One Great >>>> God! And keep your 'we' on your baboon hill! >>>> >>>> Am Montag, 20. Oktober 2014 16:47:43 UTC+2 schrieb Allan Heretic: >>>>> >>>>> Problem with vengeance is not vengeance but judgment. If one looks at >>>>> Jesus in the same light as Buddha, both are great teachers in the avatars >>>>> category. >>>>> Because I am most familiar with Jesus I would like to look at the >>>>> prayer he taught.. The first part The greatness of God is acknowledged >>>>> and >>>>> his divine right to rule.. Poly the similarities between Hinduism and >>>>> Christianity are surprising once you escape the Dogma and doctrine. >>>>> Back to the prayer.. the 2nd you are asking for our needs for the day >>>>> be met. The 3rd section we are asking to be judged as we judge others. >>>>> The >>>>> 4th part you are asking not to be lead into trouble.. >>>>> What we are interested in is the 3rd part for this discussion. >>>>> To be judged by the same standard we judge others by. It is getting >>>>> into the karma thing.. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Allan >>>>> A Living Soul >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: polly skid <[email protected]> >>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 1:50 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Revenge >>>>> >>>>> Yeah .. the thing is.. we think that some people deserve the hurt they >>>>> get... might be from us.. or from someone else... how do we restore >>>>> balance.. what intrigues me is forgiveness.. do you think someone can >>>>> forgive the murder of their loved one... or some great financial/material >>>>> loss... now Gandhi comes to my mind.. i never quite agree with his >>>>> thought.. although having been instructed on him since school.. he >>>>> believes >>>>> the turn the other cheek Christianity virtue... but its just so hard to >>>>> conceive... maybe we cant escape our moral judgement world in any way.. >>>>> maybe we take revenge becos we think we owe it to ourselves the defense >>>>> against wrong.. really confusing stuff all this.. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 2:23 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Chimps do revenge - if you inject one as a vet it will bite you if >>>>>> given the chance over the next couple of days. Films give us a sense of >>>>>> justice from revenge, though examples I've seen in reality have been >>>>>> pathetic and misguided. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, 19 October 2014 19:18:30 UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The problem today is there is little to be ashamed about, the >>>>>>> mentality seems to lead to what one can get away with. The only shame >>>>>>> is in >>>>>>> getting caught..:-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That is the political moral standard demonstrated by many >>>>>>> politicians, business and religious leaders today. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Allan >>>>>>> A Living Soul >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 3:59 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Revenge >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The moral gauge I suggest to kids is "never do anything you would >>>>>>> not want everyone to know about." The age of transparency. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sunday, October 19, 2014 9:35:46 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When the blind follow the blind they both will fall into a pit. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Looking at the justification for moral values little should >>>>>>>> surprise anyone. The actions vs talk how can there be morals. I was >>>>>>>> talking >>>>>>>> with my daughter and she made the comment to me that was an honor yet >>>>>>>> kind >>>>>>>> of strange. When she had a situation that she did not know how to deal >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> it she always asked herself how would my Dad handle it? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Who are the moral compasses today? Who are our guides? Or is it >>>>>>>> simply does it really matter as all there is what one sees? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Allan >>>>>>>> A Living Soul >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 3:09 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Revenge >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't know what percentage of humanity is capable or observing >>>>>>>> self and correcting self, but the longer I live, the smaller I think >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> number may be. As I look around, i see so many of the people around me >>>>>>>> acting out their emotions (revenge among them) on others. Not always >>>>>>>> easy >>>>>>>> to see if they know just what they are doing and why. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 19, 2014 8:28:54 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Complex stuff Pol. I get the feelings, but can't remember doing >>>>>>>>> much about them. Politicians raise it in me as soon as their lips >>>>>>>>> move. >>>>>>>>> So does my grandson (currently idle, smelly teenager), though 'tough >>>>>>>>> love' >>>>>>>>> doesn't appeal. Academic criticism often feels a form of it and a >>>>>>>>> lot of >>>>>>>>> projection and ad hom is involved. In my time, cops used to beat up >>>>>>>>> sex >>>>>>>>> offenders, largely on the basis the court system didn't work. I used >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> pursue them for other crimes. There is nothing more exhilarating >>>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>>> pointing out the flaws in others (from the movie Clerks), a sort of >>>>>>>>> revenge. Many lecturing colleagues took revenge out on students - >>>>>>>>> education generally looks pretty nasty to me. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I like to think I can walk away from it, as in not retaliating in >>>>>>>>> rugby, but I always did within the rules. Human behaviour is so dire >>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>> might be in a constant state of vendetta. In films the black hats >>>>>>>>> are set >>>>>>>>> up as so bad they deserve what they get. In reality, we tend to take >>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>> revenge on powerless victims. Child sexual exploitation may be an >>>>>>>>> example. The victim is usually subject to multiple acts of revenge >>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>> supposedly decent people. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 19 October 2014 12:13:23 UTC+1, pol.science kid wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I was on the internet.. and just came across this tv series >>>>>>>>>> called "revenge".. and i was thinking... are we capable of not >>>>>>>>>> taking >>>>>>>>>> revenge.. regarding matters that affect us too deeply... i have >>>>>>>>>> pretty mean >>>>>>>>>> vengeful feelings when i feel i have been wronged unjustly.. of >>>>>>>>>> course when >>>>>>>>>> i cant do anything in the situation i act out my revenge mentally.. >>>>>>>>>> plan >>>>>>>>>> something to get back to the person ... its quite a revelation when >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> think yourself quite a decent person.. What do you guys think of >>>>>>>>>> revenge.. >>>>>>>>>> its dealt with in every movie and television series or novel.. and >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> course what our instructive morality from 'elders' says is that do >>>>>>>>>> not take >>>>>>>>>> revenge.. But i think forgiveness is a capacity.. and we are so >>>>>>>>>> inclined >>>>>>>>>> for revenge.. Since most of you have pretty varied experience in >>>>>>>>>> life.. >>>>>>>>>> Have any of you ever taken revenge.. or decided not to? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> EverComing >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> -- >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> ""Minds Eye"" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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