No sense, anyone, of Ferguson and the wider protests as an American spring?
On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 3:41:15 PM UTC, archytas wrote: > > No Idea what the male number is Gabby - is it a bit like the opposite of > what those women hanging around newsrooms do? I am male I'm afraid, so am > stuck with such as my feet not being the first thing I see looking down in > the shower. Of course, I'm old enough now to be more concerned about > keeping my feet working. For the record, the thinking itself > indestructible younger me would have taken on Mike Brown going forward, > believing some young big punk couldn't hack a fit rugby league player half > his size. Sorry to be so shrill my dear. I never made new man status, > believing women capable of seeing through such crude deceptions, even as > they fell wildly under the strategy. We might consider what the reaction > would have been had Brown been shot by an 8 stone female cop like my > ex-partner Mary. I'll get back in the kitchen and shut the door so you > can't hear me being shrill then me dear. At least you are admitting we men > can count these days, even if we do our number in shrill voice. > *Je vous adresse mon très amical souvenir c**haleureusement, comme meme.* > > On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 2:21:40 PM UTC, Gabby wrote: >> >> Your class consciousness is very well audible. When you do the mate >> number you still need to tone down a lot. It sounds shrill, Neil. >> >> >> >> Am 26.11.2014 um 14:24 schrieb archytas <[email protected]>: >> >> Some interesting views at the Post Gabby. I'm generally not keen to >> extrapolate from criminal mentalities on social problems, yet these >> problems almost must be multi-faceted and thus not amenable to fascist >> analysis through slogan. Much of my experience with black people came >> through cricket (great) and being a cop (good, bad, indifferent) or >> university teacher (as stupid and unreliable as the rest of the class?). A >> university friend took me to his village in what was then Zaire. I can >> only say any discussion I've heard on ethnic rights since is so constrained >> by political correctness slogans as to be both fascist and based on >> presenting the face of Goody-two-shoes. >> >> Rage against the machine? Not well directed if true - and I feel it is. >> I'm amazed there isn't more rage generally. I'd work with what I've seen >> of Darren Wilson ahead of the looters for sure - yet I always wondered why >> cops like me and him had to do the public order thing for the Establishment >> without much consideration. This had me defending the right of some Nazi >> to parade through Stockport. >> >> The idea that any human beings are less racist on race grounds is so dumb >> only someone with a PC infection could come up with it. And much as I >> don't like the figures on prison populations I'm sick of race explanations. >> Men are imprisoned far more than women. Let's make that a gender rights >> issue!! >> >> Obama is white Tony - just one of the mobiles in my black brush >> collection. >> >> On Wednesday, 26 November 2014 12:10:36 UTC, Molly wrote: >>> >>> Detroit retail never fully recovered from the 67 riots created by the >>> same kind of circumstance. The stores that closed having lost everything >>> with no faith that it wouldn't keep happening. The racial divide has played >>> out here in many horrendous ways over the years, including a "black power" >>> city government being instructed by the mayor to do no business with white >>> owned companies. The ethnocentrism was finally the demise of the >>> exclusionary government that fell into deep corruption and bankruptcy. I >>> see both sides and neither are healthy until the city is seen as a whole >>> including all and part of the rest of the world. Through all of it, it has >>> somehow remained a driving force in global economy and culture. Tribal >>> societies no longer function on large scale and examples of this can be >>> seen all over the world. The reluctance of each of us to see beyond color >>> and history lies at the heart of the problem. Grace Lee Boggs fascinates me >>> because her story runs the gamut of descent, rebel, revolutionary, >>> community leader that unites, finding her way from divisive messages to >>> unifying actions. >>> >>> On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:29:24 PM UTC-5, facilitator wrote: >>>> >>>> The anger I can partially understand since the messiah in the White >>>> House has had little or negative impact on the average black in "Partially >>>> United States". The seething rage comes from many, many years of >>>> disproportionate treatment and does not need much to surface. >>>> >>>> I don't really understand how looting helps the cause. I know >>>> unequivocally when there is a crime being committed people call police and >>>> not looting mobs to come help. >>>> >>>> Maybe the North Koreans can show us what true peace is in the happy >>>> place of the Great Leader! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 4:20:45 PM UTC-5, archytas wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Much is fit only for ridicule Gabby. As for the positive pounding, my >>>>> best friend likes those loud Japanese drums as a prelude to a few beers. >>>>> Quite how we get to sense talk instead of newsroom madness has troubled >>>>> me >>>>> forever, as I'm sure you know. >>>>> >>>>> I'd have been expected to take Michael Brown down unarmed - something >>>>> of a mismatch at 168 versus 290 pounds and a routine Salford Saturday >>>>> night. I guess I could have run away until the pink slime and doughnuts >>>>> tired him out and I could get a tow-truck to transport him to the >>>>> Crescent. >>>>> Even armed I tended not to shoot people, fearing weeks of paper work >>>>> more >>>>> than the odd knife graze. Quite why cops were supposed to put their >>>>> bodies >>>>> on the line instead of just shooting bad guys I'm not sure. >>>>> >>>>> I don't get the race thing at all, here or in the US other than as >>>>> Tony says. Smacking a cop in the mouth seems pretty 'racist' to me. The >>>>> US situation looks a lot like Northern Ireland to me - the Catholics had >>>>> genuine civil rights issues there on housing, jobs and lousy treatment. >>>>> These were not addressed directly either. The investigation into >>>>> Wilson's >>>>> actions look reasonable and speedy compared with here and much more open. >>>>> This seems to no avail. >>>>> >>>>> One very noticeable thing in the US investigations is knowledge of the >>>>> limitations of cops accounts of their shootings on such as the number of >>>>> rounds fired and recall ability. Here our cops are taught to parrot the >>>>> Manual of Guidance on the care with which each shot is aimed and fired >>>>> with >>>>> perfect memory. And our cops are allowed to refuse to answer questions >>>>> and >>>>> collude on answers. Thus our cops lie to make their stories look like >>>>> the >>>>> textbook and match each other. I don't get the logic of 'black guy dead, >>>>> burn Tottenham or Ferguson'. Or that of 'the Establishment is corrupt, >>>>> cure this by lynching a cop who has shot a crook'. >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 3:34:07 PM UTC, facilitator wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> The media consistently wanted this to be about race. It wasn't. >>>>>> Change the demographics of either the cop or the deceased and this >>>>>> story >>>>>> would not have been in the news at all. The problem is the premiss. >>>>>> Our >>>>>> system allows a Grand Jury to decide if charges are to be rendered. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have been on two Grand Juries and we all took these matters very >>>>>> seriously. >>>>>> >>>>> -- >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/minds-eye/II9hZsHPsPs/unsubscribe. >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
