When things are all perspective one wonders why we talk at all. Let the baby grip the burning coal - it's all perspective. We have no right to do that educational stuff. Nagel did the stuff on the rock in 1974, but chose to ask us to imagine what it was to be a bat. I understand his class threw themselves out of the nearest window and to go to a cave party. It was a fourth floor lecture and none survived, owing to a miscalculation on the speed of evolution in providing wings on the way down. I survived owing to perspective. Say bat to me and I think cricket.
What would consciousness be if each perspectivalist was aware they would be taken from the hive and shot unless they couldn't convince the others of their view? On Thursday, 29 January 2015 15:07:03 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: > > lol oh my gosh I in trouble.. > Actually the roots of conciousness go way back RP .. like most things it > really is a matter of perspective. My perspective of God as I understand > him comes from my childhood and a series of psychotic episodes (none > involving drugs) I chose to call spiritual experiences.. > It is all a matter of perspective .. my personal understanding my > perspective. > > Consciousness has many levels most is best guess just what we precieve.. > there are more questions than answers maybe starting with just what is the > consciousness of a rock.. take my Rock carried the weight a glacier as it > dragged him down the mountain.. it shaped his character of strength as it > wore him down to a mere 1.4 kgs I can only imagine his mass when his > journey began. > Just what is Rock's perspective on consciousness? > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: RP Singh <[email protected]> > To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> > Sent: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 10:11 AM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Consciousness > > Allan , when you know so much about such things why don't you give a valid > definition of the concept "Consciousness". And it was Chris who was calling > it Mumbo Gumbo and not I. I think that I have given quite an honest > definition of such a subjective concept as definitions go. It is upto > others to give a better meaning. If I have started the thread it doesn't > mean that I alone have to satisfy the group. > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 1:53 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> There are many many levels consciousness. As rock who knows all about >> the long hard grind after carrying the weight of a glacier on his back. Now >> he passes his time quietly on my workbench. >> Unfortunately the dictionary is the common starting point. From where you >> have to begin building. Chris is right.. your definion is simply not >> thought out or developed. Mumbo Gumbo does not cut it in an honest >> discussion. >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 9:00 AM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Consciousness >> >> Allan , it is consciousness. What you are seeing the dictionary for is >> something completely different. >> >> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 1:15 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> That is a very possible reality.. the problem is the evil genie making >>> us think we have consciousness would mean the evil woild have to possess >>> the attributes he is making is think we possess. >>> It us said more happened in the 1st second of creation than all the time >>> has passed since. >>> >>> Commonly in the belief system the overall consciousness is refered to as >>> God (or some variation of the name). Due to free will given to all souls >>> and beings the conciousness is ever expanding like the rest of the ùniverse >>> demonstrates.. >>> >>> As for a common definition one needs to turn to a dictionary. >>> CONSCIENTIOUSNESS >>> >>> noun (uncountable) >>> • The state or characteristic of being conscientious. >>> >>> CONSCIENTIOUS >>> >>> adjective >>> • Thorough, careful, or vigilant; implies a desire to do a task well. >>> >>> >>> >>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres >>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 5:58 AM >>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Consciousness >>> >>> We may have no consciousness and an evil genie might be making us think >>> we have. I find inferred consciousness is easily removed by a heavy blow >>> with a pick-axe handle. >>> >>> On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 3:10:05 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >>>> >>>> Consciousness in others is inferred and not known or proved so it might >>>> be that even atoms of elements have consciousness. I cannot even prove >>>> that >>>> you have consciousness it is merely inferred that you have it. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 7:02 AM, Chris Jenkins < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Why do we have to be satisfied with your explanation when we haven't >>>>> even determined what that means? >>>>> >>>>> You began a thread called consciousness, and then won't even take the >>>>> first steps to try to establish a common ground on the idea? >>>>> >>>>> Let's start with the simple question: do you believe plants have >>>>> consciousness? >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 8:18 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I don't think you will get an answer to this in the near future and >>>>>> maybe not in your lifetime , and so we have to be satisfied with my >>>>>> explanation -- it is an attribute of life , a real one , and not jumbled >>>>>> up. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 6:42 AM, Chris Jenkins < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Moogle-de-poogledy is an attribute of life and needs no further >>>>>>> description. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Do you see why that's not an effective line of conversation? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What is conciousness? Do plants have it? Does it require sentience? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 8:10 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Consciousness is an attribute of life and needs no further >>>>>>>> description. Without consciousness there would have been no life , and >>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>> it is life itself. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 6:37 AM, Chris Jenkins < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just so we're all on the same page, can you go ahead and define >>>>>>>>> exactly what a consciousness is? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 8:05 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Suppose there had been no consciousness and the entire world had >>>>>>>>>> been there but all unconscious , what would be the Truth? Just death >>>>>>>>>> , >>>>>>>>>> nothing else. Consciousness is what makes life , a proof that there >>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>> something which exists , Existence itself and not death. Look at the >>>>>>>>>> stars >>>>>>>>>> , the solar system , if it had self-direction where would we be? It >>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>> obeys laws and that is the reason for order in the universe and not >>>>>>>>>> chaos. >>>>>>>>>> What would humanity have been if we were not bound by our nature , >>>>>>>>>> no laws >>>>>>>>>> of biology , psychology , etc. , no predictability , no comfort that >>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>> would return to our homes at night ,no assurance that we would >>>>>>>>>> return home >>>>>>>>>> from work . 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