And I'm still waiting for that beer, Neil. Although, it's early, and I'm sipping an espresso. But tonight, tonight, tonight...whooooooaaaaaaaahhhhhh.
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 6:43 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > What else do we pay you for RP, other than to give us total answers? > There is no definition really - we are guessing in this particular game. > It's pretty tricky to define oxygen without the rest of chemistry. It was > phlogiston once. > > Allan's right that if we invent evil genies they have properties. To some > extent we can see the world through the eyes of another if they tell us > about it or do something like Tony's artwork. Language seems to have > some collective consciousness role, even if we are often at odds with it or > bewitched by it. Hard to see language arising privately > > Given how much we copy others, is consciousness ever our own? I can't > really see that the same dull academic book or fiction pot boiler repeated > a thousand times comes from a thousand original subjective minds, > > Sometimes things are defined by what they are not, by what's in or outside > a boundary, in a closed or open system, by what use it is in explanation, > prediction, comforting we lost souls ... > > Telepathy used to be mystical and fail. Now we have radio and its > extensions. I could pay for a beer for Chris to drink 3000 miles away and > understand some of the relish in his description of the experience on > google plus. Somehow I am not that interested in his consciousness when > more direct personal experiment is possible. More interesting, perhaps, is > that taste seems to change in near zero gravity. I hardly know that > because I've eaten there. > > If Tony starts having the same consciousness as me would there be any > point in both of us? Some choose to live without running water in order to > change consciousness. > > What is in consciousness we might not admit to? Is, for instance, > pornography an example of what lurks? Is talk of god just a polite > distraction? > > I don't agree we will never know what consciousness is. We don't know > what we will know in the future. I'm conscious we should start building a > better material world to be conscious in - that might change consciousness > for the better. > > > > On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 9:11:29 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >> >> Allan , when you know so much about such things why don't you give a >> valid definition of the concept "Consciousness". And it was Chris who was >> calling it Mumbo Gumbo and not I. I think that I have given quite an honest >> definition of such a subjective concept as definitions go. It is upto >> others to give a better meaning. If I have started the thread it doesn't >> mean that I alone have to satisfy the group. >> >> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 1:53 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> There are many many levels consciousness. As rock who knows all about >>> the long hard grind after carrying the weight of a glacier on his back. Now >>> he passes his time quietly on my workbench. >>> Unfortunately the dictionary is the common starting point. From where >>> you have to begin building. Chris is right.. your definion is simply not >>> thought out or developed. Mumbo Gumbo does not cut it in an honest >>> discussion. >>> >>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres >>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 9:00 AM >>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Consciousness >>> >>> Allan , it is consciousness. What you are seeing the dictionary for is >>> something completely different. >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 1:15 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> That is a very possible reality.. the problem is the evil genie making >>>> us think we have consciousness would mean the evil woild have to possess >>>> the attributes he is making is think we possess. >>>> It us said more happened in the 1st second of creation than all the >>>> time has passed since. >>>> >>>> Commonly in the belief system the overall consciousness is refered to >>>> as God (or some variation of the name). Due to free will given to all souls >>>> and beings the conciousness is ever expanding like the rest of the ùniverse >>>> demonstrates.. >>>> >>>> As for a common definition one needs to turn to a dictionary. >>>> CONSCIENTIOUSNESS >>>> >>>> noun (uncountable) >>>> • The state or characteristic of being conscientious. >>>> >>>> CONSCIENTIOUS >>>> >>>> adjective >>>> • Thorough, careful, or vigilant; implies a desire to do a task well. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 5:58 AM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Consciousness >>>> >>>> We may have no consciousness and an evil genie might be making us think >>>> we have. I find inferred consciousness is easily removed by a heavy blow >>>> with a pick-axe handle. >>>> >>>> On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 3:10:05 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Consciousness in others is inferred and not known or proved so it >>>>> might be that even atoms of elements have consciousness. I cannot even >>>>> prove that you have consciousness it is merely inferred that you have it. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 7:02 AM, Chris Jenkins < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Why do we have to be satisfied with your explanation when we haven't >>>>>> even determined what that means? >>>>>> >>>>>> You began a thread called consciousness, and then won't even take the >>>>>> first steps to try to establish a common ground on the idea? >>>>>> >>>>>> Let's start with the simple question: do you believe plants have >>>>>> consciousness? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 8:18 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't think you will get an answer to this in the near future and >>>>>>> maybe not in your lifetime , and so we have to be satisfied with my >>>>>>> explanation -- it is an attribute of life , a real one , and not >>>>>>> jumbled up. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 6:42 AM, Chris Jenkins < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Moogle-de-poogledy is an attribute of life and needs no further >>>>>>>> description. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Do you see why that's not an effective line of conversation? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What is conciousness? Do plants have it? Does it require sentience? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 8:10 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Consciousness is an attribute of life and needs no further >>>>>>>>> description. Without consciousness there would have been no life , >>>>>>>>> and so >>>>>>>>> it is life itself. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 6:37 AM, Chris Jenkins < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Just so we're all on the same page, can you go ahead and define >>>>>>>>>> exactly what a consciousness is? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 8:05 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Suppose there had been no consciousness and the entire world had >>>>>>>>>>> been there but all unconscious , what would be the Truth? Just >>>>>>>>>>> death , >>>>>>>>>>> nothing else. Consciousness is what makes life , a proof that there >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> something which exists , Existence itself and not death. Look at >>>>>>>>>>> the stars >>>>>>>>>>> , the solar system , if it had self-direction where would we be? It >>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>> obeys laws and that is the reason for order in the universe and not >>>>>>>>>>> chaos. >>>>>>>>>>> What would humanity have been if we were not bound by our nature , >>>>>>>>>>> no laws >>>>>>>>>>> of biology , psychology , etc. , no predictability , no comfort >>>>>>>>>>> that we >>>>>>>>>>> would return to our homes at night ,no assurance that we would >>>>>>>>>>> return home >>>>>>>>>>> from work . 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