*laughing* I don't know about "expert" as much as "willing to experiment".
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 12:11 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > So imagine us all as a jigsaw, each with a piece to contribute to the > whole picture. Mean not to share - though when you run games with > undergrads, the sharing penny usually only drops after you tell them it was > responsible for their failure in the exercise. Smug solipsism rules. > Though what a jigsaw might do with a full picture sounds a bit limiting, > jigsaws not having consciousness unless made from Allan's rock. > > What, by the way, is the consciousness of a bunch of social spiders > bringing down a bird for dinner? > > Chemicals affect consciousness - Chris is the expert on human > experimentation here - in animals this is affected by parasites and > chemicals. The rubber-masked aliens who rule this planet moved on from > chemical control years ago and use the easier to deliver propaganda now. > This has side effects, which is why Allan is eating rock as he slides down > the glacier > > > On Friday, January 30, 2015 at 2:46:37 AM UTC, archytas wrote: >> >> When things are all perspective one wonders why we talk at all. Let the >> baby grip the burning coal - it's all perspective. We have no right to do >> that educational stuff. Nagel did the stuff on the rock in 1974, but chose >> to ask us to imagine what it was to be a bat. I understand his class threw >> themselves out of the nearest window and to go to a cave party. It was a >> fourth floor lecture and none survived, owing to a miscalculation on the >> speed of evolution in providing wings on the way down. I survived owing to >> perspective. Say bat to me and I think cricket. >> >> What would consciousness be if each perspectivalist was aware they would >> be taken from the hive and shot unless they couldn't convince the others of >> their view? >> >> On Thursday, 29 January 2015 15:07:03 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>> >>> lol oh my gosh I in trouble.. >>> Actually the roots of conciousness go way back RP .. like most things >>> it really is a matter of perspective. My perspective of God as I >>> understand him comes from my childhood and a series of psychotic episodes >>> (none involving drugs) I chose to call spiritual experiences.. >>> It is all a matter of perspective .. my personal understanding my >>> perspective. >>> >>> Consciousness has many levels most is best guess just what we precieve.. >>> there are more questions than answers maybe starting with just what is the >>> consciousness of a rock.. take my Rock carried the weight a glacier as it >>> dragged him down the mountain.. it shaped his character of strength as it >>> wore him down to a mere 1.4 kgs I can only imagine his mass when his >>> journey began. >>> Just what is Rock's perspective on consciousness? >>> >>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres >>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 10:11 AM >>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Consciousness >>> >>> Allan , when you know so much about such things why don't you give a >>> valid definition of the concept "Consciousness". And it was Chris who was >>> calling it Mumbo Gumbo and not I. I think that I have given quite an honest >>> definition of such a subjective concept as definitions go. It is upto >>> others to give a better meaning. If I have started the thread it doesn't >>> mean that I alone have to satisfy the group. >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 1:53 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> There are many many levels consciousness. As rock who knows all about >>>> the long hard grind after carrying the weight of a glacier on his back. Now >>>> he passes his time quietly on my workbench. >>>> Unfortunately the dictionary is the common starting point. From where >>>> you have to begin building. Chris is right.. your definion is simply not >>>> thought out or developed. Mumbo Gumbo does not cut it in an honest >>>> discussion. >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 9:00 AM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Consciousness >>>> >>>> Allan , it is consciousness. What you are seeing the dictionary for is >>>> something completely different. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 1:15 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> That is a very possible reality.. the problem is the evil genie >>>>> making us think we have consciousness would mean the evil woild have to >>>>> possess the attributes he is making is think we possess. >>>>> It us said more happened in the 1st second of creation than all the >>>>> time has passed since. >>>>> >>>>> Commonly in the belief system the overall consciousness is refered to >>>>> as God (or some variation of the name). Due to free will given to all >>>>> souls >>>>> and beings the conciousness is ever expanding like the rest of the >>>>> ùniverse >>>>> demonstrates.. >>>>> >>>>> As for a common definition one needs to turn to a dictionary. >>>>> CONSCIENTIOUSNESS >>>>> >>>>> noun (uncountable) >>>>> • The state or characteristic of being conscientious. >>>>> >>>>> CONSCIENTIOUS >>>>> >>>>> adjective >>>>> • Thorough, careful, or vigilant; implies a desire to do a task well. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres >>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Sent: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 5:58 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Consciousness >>>>> >>>>> We may have no consciousness and an evil genie might be making us >>>>> think we have. I find inferred consciousness is easily removed by a heavy >>>>> blow with a pick-axe handle. >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 3:10:05 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Consciousness in others is inferred and not known or proved so it >>>>>> might be that even atoms of elements have consciousness. I cannot even >>>>>> prove that you have consciousness it is merely inferred that you have it. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 7:02 AM, Chris Jenkins < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Why do we have to be satisfied with your explanation when we haven't >>>>>>> even determined what that means? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You began a thread called consciousness, and then won't even take >>>>>>> the first steps to try to establish a common ground on the idea? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let's start with the simple question: do you believe plants have >>>>>>> consciousness? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 8:18 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't think you will get an answer to this in the near future and >>>>>>>> maybe not in your lifetime , and so we have to be satisfied with my >>>>>>>> explanation -- it is an attribute of life , a real one , and not >>>>>>>> jumbled up. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 6:42 AM, Chris Jenkins < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Moogle-de-poogledy is an attribute of life and needs no further >>>>>>>>> description. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Do you see why that's not an effective line of conversation? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What is conciousness? Do plants have it? Does it require sentience? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 8:10 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Consciousness is an attribute of life and needs no further >>>>>>>>>> description. Without consciousness there would have been no life , >>>>>>>>>> and so >>>>>>>>>> it is life itself. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 6:37 AM, Chris Jenkins < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Just so we're all on the same page, can you go ahead and define >>>>>>>>>>> exactly what a consciousness is? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 8:05 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Suppose there had been no consciousness and the entire world >>>>>>>>>>>> had been there but all unconscious , what would be the Truth? Just >>>>>>>>>>>> death , >>>>>>>>>>>> nothing else. Consciousness is what makes life , a proof that >>>>>>>>>>>> there is >>>>>>>>>>>> something which exists , Existence itself and not death. Look at >>>>>>>>>>>> the stars >>>>>>>>>>>> , the solar system , if it had self-direction where would we be? >>>>>>>>>>>> It all >>>>>>>>>>>> obeys laws and that is the reason for order in the universe and >>>>>>>>>>>> not chaos. >>>>>>>>>>>> What would humanity have been if we were not bound by our nature , >>>>>>>>>>>> no laws >>>>>>>>>>>> of biology , psychology , etc. , no predictability , no comfort >>>>>>>>>>>> that we >>>>>>>>>>>> would return to our homes at night ,no assurance that we would >>>>>>>>>>>> return home >>>>>>>>>>>> from work . 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