Allan , when you know so much about such things why don't you give a valid definition of the concept "Consciousness". And it was Chris who was calling it Mumbo Gumbo and not I. I think that I have given quite an honest definition of such a subjective concept as definitions go. It is upto others to give a better meaning. If I have started the thread it doesn't mean that I alone have to satisfy the group.
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 1:53 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > There are many many levels consciousness. As rock who knows all about the > long hard grind after carrying the weight of a glacier on his back. Now he > passes his time quietly on my workbench. > Unfortunately the dictionary is the common starting point. From where you > have to begin building. Chris is right.. your definion is simply not > thought out or developed. Mumbo Gumbo does not cut it in an honest > discussion. > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: RP Singh <[email protected]> > To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> > Sent: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 9:00 AM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Consciousness > > Allan , it is consciousness. What you are seeing the dictionary for is > something completely different. > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 1:15 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> That is a very possible reality.. the problem is the evil genie making >> us think we have consciousness would mean the evil woild have to possess >> the attributes he is making is think we possess. >> It us said more happened in the 1st second of creation than all the time >> has passed since. >> >> Commonly in the belief system the overall consciousness is refered to as >> God (or some variation of the name). Due to free will given to all souls >> and beings the conciousness is ever expanding like the rest of the ùniverse >> demonstrates.. >> >> As for a common definition one needs to turn to a dictionary. >> CONSCIENTIOUSNESS >> >> noun (uncountable) >> • The state or characteristic of being conscientious. >> >> CONSCIENTIOUS >> >> adjective >> • Thorough, careful, or vigilant; implies a desire to do a task well. >> >> >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: archytas <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 5:58 AM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Consciousness >> >> We may have no consciousness and an evil genie might be making us think >> we have. I find inferred consciousness is easily removed by a heavy blow >> with a pick-axe handle. >> >> On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 3:10:05 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >>> >>> Consciousness in others is inferred and not known or proved so it might >>> be that even atoms of elements have consciousness. I cannot even prove that >>> you have consciousness it is merely inferred that you have it. >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 7:02 AM, Chris Jenkins < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Why do we have to be satisfied with your explanation when we haven't >>>> even determined what that means? >>>> >>>> You began a thread called consciousness, and then won't even take the >>>> first steps to try to establish a common ground on the idea? >>>> >>>> Let's start with the simple question: do you believe plants have >>>> consciousness? >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 8:18 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I don't think you will get an answer to this in the near future and >>>>> maybe not in your lifetime , and so we have to be satisfied with my >>>>> explanation -- it is an attribute of life , a real one , and not jumbled >>>>> up. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 6:42 AM, Chris Jenkins < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Moogle-de-poogledy is an attribute of life and needs no further >>>>>> description. >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you see why that's not an effective line of conversation? >>>>>> >>>>>> What is conciousness? Do plants have it? Does it require sentience? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 8:10 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Consciousness is an attribute of life and needs no further >>>>>>> description. Without consciousness there would have been no life , and >>>>>>> so >>>>>>> it is life itself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 6:37 AM, Chris Jenkins < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just so we're all on the same page, can you go ahead and define >>>>>>>> exactly what a consciousness is? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 8:05 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Suppose there had been no consciousness and the entire world had >>>>>>>>> been there but all unconscious , what would be the Truth? Just death , >>>>>>>>> nothing else. Consciousness is what makes life , a proof that there is >>>>>>>>> something which exists , Existence itself and not death. Look at the >>>>>>>>> stars >>>>>>>>> , the solar system , if it had self-direction where would we be? It >>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>> obeys laws and that is the reason for order in the universe and not >>>>>>>>> chaos. >>>>>>>>> What would humanity have been if we were not bound by our nature , no >>>>>>>>> laws >>>>>>>>> of biology , psychology , etc. , no predictability , no comfort that >>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>> would return to our homes at night ,no assurance that we would return >>>>>>>>> home >>>>>>>>> from work . Unpredictability is still there but it is minor , mostly >>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>> is satisfaction and assurance of well-being. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> ""Minds Eye"" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> ""Minds Eye"" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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