Why does a state of awareness have to be restricted to organìc matter RP?
تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others -----Original Message----- From: RP Singh <[email protected]> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 4:09 PM Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Consciousness I don't understand all this talk of consciousness as if it were an entity , to me consciousness is simply a state i.e. awareness , and what is aware is the organism. It is like a sweet which is pleasurable but is pleasure an entity , no it is not , it is simply a quality and the sweet is the entity. So the question is what is consciousness? It is a state of the organism like the dream-state , sleep-state and awake-state. And awareness is strongest in the awake-state of the organism and in the sleep-state awareness is very nominal. So what we are trying to define is a quality and not an entity , so how do you define a quality , can you define pain , pleasure , sweet , sour and such other abstract things , no you cannot! So as definitions go we can only say that consciousness is a state of awareness of an organism and is an attribute which can be understood and not defined. On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 11:18 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > That's all true RP and part of what many of us are conscious of - though I > think governments beyond thinking. Whether we know what consciousness is > or not, we often talk of needed change in it. I'd go for creating > something that removed us from grim material competition - but some have it > we would lose all motivation in such a state. > > We avoid the real morality, perhaps by talk of unattainable abstracts like > a definition of consciousness. Good start RP. Maybe Allan will have > something to say once he's finished chewing his rock? I think we need to > go deep green on materials and far more compassionate spiritually. If this > actually happened in our lifetimes we'd know consciousness can change. > Love is fine, but expecting it from horrible people is usually not a good > strategy. > > > On Friday, January 30, 2015 at 1:18:35 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >> >> Neil , since we know that it is our biology which is acting out and that >> what we are doing it is the gogs which are working shouldn't we be more >> tolerant , think of ways and means to address questions of terror ,rage , >> etc. with a more humanitarian way than to meet violence with violence , >> shouldn't we meet hate with love and understanding knowing that our >> brethren know not what they are doing , shouldn't we be more compassionate >> , is retribution the only way , force the only answer , no Neil , our >> Governments must think of other options. >> When our children do wrong we try to help them by counselling because we >> love them , couldn't we do the same with others knowing them to be our >> ignorant brethren , couldn't there be some way to make them realize that >> their philosophy is wrong , their attitude wrong , we must try and seek >> alternatives otherwise this monster of terror will never die but rise a >> hundred times with each drop of bloodshed. >> >> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 7:37 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> It could even be RP that some disaster in, say, 50 years, which a little >>> change now might help us avert, brings the end of humans. >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 12:57:09 PM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >>>> >>>> What would be there if there were no laws of nature --mayhem everywhere >>>> , chaos , destruction , anarchy. What if all laws fail ,annihilation--and >>>> it might be that the universe will end that way. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 6:35 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Suppose there had been no consciousness and the entire world had been >>>>> there but all unconscious , what would be the Truth? Just death , nothing >>>>> else. Consciousness is what makes life , a proof that there is something >>>>> which exists , Existence itself and not death. Look at the stars , the >>>>> solar system , if it had self-direction where would we be? It all obeys >>>>> laws and that is the reason for order in the universe and not chaos. What >>>>> would humanity have been if we were not bound by our nature , no laws of >>>>> biology , psychology , etc. , no predictability , no comfort that we would >>>>> return to our homes at night ,no assurance that we would return home from >>>>> work . 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