I don't know , Allan , what is aware and what is not. I can know only that I am aware and for the rest I can infer that they are so. Maybe even atoms are aware.
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 10:31 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Why does a state of awareness have to be restricted to organìc matter RP? > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: RP Singh <[email protected]> > To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> > Sent: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 4:09 PM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Consciousness > > I don't understand all this talk of consciousness as if it were an entity > , to me consciousness is simply a state i.e. awareness , and what is aware > is the organism. It is like a sweet which is pleasurable but is pleasure > an entity , no it is not , it is simply a quality and the sweet is the > entity. So the question is what is consciousness? It is a state of the > organism like the dream-state , sleep-state and awake-state. And awareness > is strongest in the awake-state of the organism and in the sleep-state > awareness is very nominal. So what we are trying to define is a quality and > not an entity , so how do you define a quality , can you define pain , > pleasure , sweet , sour and such other abstract things , no you cannot! > So as definitions go we can only say that consciousness is a state of > awareness of an organism and is an attribute which can be understood and > not defined. > > On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 11:18 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> That's all true RP and part of what many of us are conscious of - though >> I think governments beyond thinking. Whether we know what consciousness is >> or not, we often talk of needed change in it. I'd go for creating >> something that removed us from grim material competition - but some have it >> we would lose all motivation in such a state. >> >> We avoid the real morality, perhaps by talk of unattainable abstracts >> like a definition of consciousness. Good start RP. Maybe Allan will have >> something to say once he's finished chewing his rock? I think we need to >> go deep green on materials and far more compassionate spiritually. If this >> actually happened in our lifetimes we'd know consciousness can change. >> Love is fine, but expecting it from horrible people is usually not a good >> strategy. >> >> >> On Friday, January 30, 2015 at 1:18:35 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >>> >>> Neil , since we know that it is our biology which is acting out and that >>> what we are doing it is the gogs which are working shouldn't we be more >>> tolerant , think of ways and means to address questions of terror ,rage , >>> etc. with a more humanitarian way than to meet violence with violence , >>> shouldn't we meet hate with love and understanding knowing that our >>> brethren know not what they are doing , shouldn't we be more compassionate >>> , is retribution the only way , force the only answer , no Neil , our >>> Governments must think of other options. >>> When our children do wrong we try to help them by counselling because we >>> love them , couldn't we do the same with others knowing them to be our >>> ignorant brethren , couldn't there be some way to make them realize that >>> their philosophy is wrong , their attitude wrong , we must try and seek >>> alternatives otherwise this monster of terror will never die but rise a >>> hundred times with each drop of bloodshed. >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 7:37 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> It could even be RP that some disaster in, say, 50 years, which a >>>> little change now might help us avert, brings the end of humans. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 12:57:09 PM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >>>>> >>>>> What would be there if there were no laws of nature --mayhem >>>>> everywhere , chaos , destruction , anarchy. What if all laws fail >>>>> ,annihilation--and it might be that the universe will end that way. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 6:35 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Suppose there had been no consciousness and the entire world had been >>>>>> there but all unconscious , what would be the Truth? Just death , nothing >>>>>> else. Consciousness is what makes life , a proof that there is something >>>>>> which exists , Existence itself and not death. Look at the stars , the >>>>>> solar system , if it had self-direction where would we be? It all obeys >>>>>> laws and that is the reason for order in the universe and not chaos. What >>>>>> would humanity have been if we were not bound by our nature , no laws of >>>>>> biology , psychology , etc. , no predictability , no comfort that we >>>>>> would >>>>>> return to our homes at night ,no assurance that we would return home from >>>>>> work . 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