I see kids being very cruel to animals and themselves as well RP. I agree on the demons and believe them real in some ways - clearly in effect. And the insanity.
On Friday, January 30, 2015 at 11:54:36 PM UTC, RP Singh wrote: > > Mostly we don't even think of awareness , it is just taken for granted. > Little children don't know the term but interact with others and know > automatically what is conscious and what is not. They can easily break > their toys but not their pups , they are ever so affectionate with the > living and cruel with the inanimate. If we continue to think of ourselves > as spirits the confusion will remain , we must think of ourselves as > organisms and the First Cause as the Spirit. So we are all mortals and it > is only the Spirit which is immortal , then and then only can we have a > semblance of sanity. It does not take much to go beyond sanity , the > breaking point is very near. In many instances I can be called insane when > I talk of ridding ourselves of the demons and think about solutions as if > the governments of the world even know that I exist. > > On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 4:46 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> With the atoms or whatever particles we admit to, it's not so much >> whether they have awareness but that what we are aware of is less than what >> is going on. What then of human interactions! >> >> >> On Friday, January 30, 2015 at 10:38:03 PM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >>> >>> I don't know , Allan , what is aware and what is not. I can know only >>> that I am aware and for the rest I can infer that they are so. Maybe even >>> atoms are aware. >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 10:31 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Why does a state of awareness have to be restricted to organìc matter >>>> RP? >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 4:09 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Consciousness >>>> >>>> I don't understand all this talk of consciousness as if it were an >>>> entity , to me consciousness is simply a state i.e. awareness , and what >>>> is >>>> aware is the organism. It is like a sweet which is pleasurable but is >>>> pleasure an entity , no it is not , it is simply a quality and the sweet >>>> is >>>> the entity. So the question is what is consciousness? It is a state of the >>>> organism like the dream-state , sleep-state and awake-state. And awareness >>>> is strongest in the awake-state of the organism and in the sleep-state >>>> awareness is very nominal. So what we are trying to define is a quality >>>> and >>>> not an entity , so how do you define a quality , can you define pain , >>>> pleasure , sweet , sour and such other abstract things , no you cannot! >>>> So as definitions go we can only say that consciousness is a state of >>>> awareness of an organism and is an attribute which can be understood and >>>> not defined. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 11:18 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> That's all true RP and part of what many of us are conscious of - >>>>> though I think governments beyond thinking. Whether we know what >>>>> consciousness is or not, we often talk of needed change in it. I'd go >>>>> for >>>>> creating something that removed us from grim material competition - but >>>>> some have it we would lose all motivation in such a state. >>>>> >>>>> We avoid the real morality, perhaps by talk of unattainable abstracts >>>>> like a definition of consciousness. Good start RP. Maybe Allan will >>>>> have >>>>> something to say once he's finished chewing his rock? I think we need to >>>>> go deep green on materials and far more compassionate spiritually. If >>>>> this >>>>> actually happened in our lifetimes we'd know consciousness can change. >>>>> Love is fine, but expecting it from horrible people is usually not a good >>>>> strategy. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, January 30, 2015 at 1:18:35 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Neil , since we know that it is our biology which is acting out and >>>>>> that what we are doing it is the gogs which are working shouldn't we be >>>>>> more tolerant , think of ways and means to address questions of terror >>>>>> ,rage , etc. with a more humanitarian way than to meet violence with >>>>>> violence , shouldn't we meet hate with love and understanding knowing >>>>>> that >>>>>> our brethren know not what they are doing , shouldn't we be more >>>>>> compassionate , is retribution the only way , force the only answer , no >>>>>> Neil , our Governments must think of other options. >>>>>> When our children do wrong we try to help them by counselling because >>>>>> we love them , couldn't we do the same with others knowing them to be >>>>>> our >>>>>> ignorant brethren , couldn't there be some way to make them realize that >>>>>> their philosophy is wrong , their attitude wrong , we must try and seek >>>>>> alternatives otherwise this monster of terror will never die but rise a >>>>>> hundred times with each drop of bloodshed. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 7:37 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> It could even be RP that some disaster in, say, 50 years, which a >>>>>>> little change now might help us avert, brings the end of humans. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 12:57:09 PM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What would be there if there were no laws of nature --mayhem >>>>>>>> everywhere , chaos , destruction , anarchy. What if all laws fail >>>>>>>> ,annihilation--and it might be that the universe will end that way. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 6:35 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Suppose there had been no consciousness and the entire world had >>>>>>>>> been there but all unconscious , what would be the Truth? Just death >>>>>>>>> , >>>>>>>>> nothing else. Consciousness is what makes life , a proof that there >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> something which exists , Existence itself and not death. Look at the >>>>>>>>> stars >>>>>>>>> , the solar system , if it had self-direction where would we be? It >>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>> obeys laws and that is the reason for order in the universe and not >>>>>>>>> chaos. >>>>>>>>> What would humanity have been if we were not bound by our nature , no >>>>>>>>> laws >>>>>>>>> of biology , psychology , etc. , no predictability , no comfort that >>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>> would return to our homes at night ,no assurance that we would return >>>>>>>>> home >>>>>>>>> from work . Unpredictability is still there but it is minor , mostly >>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>> is satisfaction and assurance of well-being. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> ""Minds Eye"" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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