I'll pop over so we can both look at it Allan - 6 months here.

On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 3:24:28 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>
> Some where i have an small oak keg of aged brandy that has been laying 
> around since I stopped drinking over 36 years ago..
>
>
> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres
> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: archytas <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 4:07 PM
> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass
>
> Just pass that brandy along Allan and see what happens then!
>
> On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 3:00:18 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>
>> It really is amazing what evolves via ME input.. 
>>
>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres
>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: archytas <[email protected]>
>> To: [email protected]
>> Sent: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 3:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass
>>
>> They rather liked me for it RP - though not the ones destined to be monks 
>> copying from text books.
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 2:35:45 PM UTC, RP Singh wrote:
>>>
>>> Teachers have to be strict and when a student has to work harder , he 
>>> lays the blame at his door. That doesn't make you unpleasant , Neil.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 7:40 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Some students said I was rather dictatorial in insisting they learned 
>>>> for themselves RP.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, 3 February 2015 12:45:29 UTC, RP Singh wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> A person who is not arrogant , respects himself and others is by 
>>>>> nature pleasant and reciprocates. If you try to reduce your arrogance and 
>>>>> change for the better then you have to be alert to remind yourself 
>>>>> whenever 
>>>>> you have such thoughts and feelings , you alone can change yourself and 
>>>>> not 
>>>>> others. I can change myself and not you and if I keep my moral compass in 
>>>>> mind I know that I will change and as a matter of fact I already have 
>>>>> changed in the course of a few days. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 6:00 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In ways you are very right. I see the problems galore. Corks floating 
>>>>>> mindlessly on oceans of deciet  lies and corruption guided by moralless 
>>>>>> guides.. the blind leading the blind.
>>>>>> Neil you are complaining that " No one has talked of reciprocity, 
>>>>>> humbleness and other stuff I believe in." Why didn't you talk about them 
>>>>>> in 
>>>>>> your moral guidelines? I will add them to your compas view ..a long time 
>>>>>> ago I learned a very special prayer  goes
>>>>>> God grant me the serenity to accept the things I can not change. To 
>>>>>> change the things that I can. The wisdom to know the difference and the 
>>>>>> ability to endure the frustration. 
>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>>> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres
>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]>
>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>> Sent: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 12:49 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's sexist rot Allan.  We should regard the muck as pre-history and 
>>>>>> get on with working out where we are with modern knowledge and 
>>>>>> contributions from all.    Another milestone on the roadmap for me is 
>>>>>> being 
>>>>>> prepared to change one's mind.  This makes people who start to 
>>>>>> rationalise 
>>>>>> away Moses as a war criminal and other blatant rubbish way problematic 
>>>>>> for 
>>>>>> 'do no harm' - they are already at it.  Somewhere along the line you 
>>>>>> have 
>>>>>> to stand up against Nazis, fascism, Soviet Paradise, the British Empire, 
>>>>>> Genghis Khan and probably the US Neo-Cons now.  To the selfish, cowardly 
>>>>>> religionist none of this matters.  They hide behind others, become 
>>>>>> conscientious objectors (who let others who object for sensible reasons 
>>>>>> hang) do deals with the likes of Hitler (that Pope in WW2) and get 
>>>>>> rolled 
>>>>>> out to proclaim a just war.  Religion used to be a finer part of 
>>>>>> rebellion 
>>>>>> than it is in its soggy condition today
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Part of my creed would be to recover what was once worthwhile, lost 
>>>>>> under men in skirts, silly hats, faux holiness, miracles, deep 
>>>>>> introspective evidence and the desire to rip-off a gullible audience - I 
>>>>>> am, in fact, deeply Puritan, Digger, Chartist and stuck with an off 
>>>>>> button 
>>>>>> for social approved epistemic authority based on stuff made sacred or 
>>>>>> given 
>>>>>> to us by invisible beings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No one has talked of reciprocity, humbleness and other stuff I 
>>>>>> believe in.  I know of Molly's light as an aspiration felt in temporary 
>>>>>> fellowship, but such 'faith' soon disappears once Genghis is on the 
>>>>>> scene.  
>>>>>> We should have a law that says 'religion ain't worth fighting over'.  
>>>>>> All 
>>>>>> this stuff is more situation-contextual and subject to marginal 
>>>>>> conditions 
>>>>>> than we are admitting.  Turn the other cheek is not a good infantry 
>>>>>> tactic, 
>>>>>> though both sides turning on the bosses is.  Our leaders these days are 
>>>>>> 'hindmosts'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 7:56:05 AM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ah Tony de Cork has spoken. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>>>> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres
>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: "'facilitator' via \"Minds Eye\"" <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>>> Sent: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 7:40 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If your footsteps are righteous you don't need a moral compass.
>>>>>>>
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