For the most part. تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
-----Original Message----- From: RP Singh <[email protected]> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 12:38 PM Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass Allan , see "detached" ; it means "no emotion" On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 4:24 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > DETACHMENT > > n. > The act of detaching or separating, or the state of being detached. > > DETACHMENT > > n. > That which is detached; especially, a body of troops or part of a fleet > sent from the main body on special service. > > DETACHMENT > > n. > Abstraction from worldly objects; renunciation. > > There is the definition I know.. i try to use my words using dictionary > definitions. That way poeple can look iup what is meaning.. I have to do > that quite easily.. > If you use word with abstract type meaning no one knows what is actually > said. Saddly that happens to often. > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: RP Singh <[email protected]> > To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> > Sent: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 11:18 AM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass > > It seems that people use the word "detached" for the word "impartial" > which in my view is not correct. What meaning Allan applies to this word > only he can clarify. > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 3:19 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Statistics also belie the claims made by people about their detached >> judgements. >> >> >> On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 7:38:40 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >>> >>> To be detached means to be equal-minded in all conditions , including >>> death or worse of dear ones , to be serene even when losing all that you >>> own with not a penny left , the worst of insecurity , it is so easy to talk >>> but for a person who loves dear ones who is used to luxury ,to face it all >>> with serenity is in my opinion either madness or just hypothetical >>> thinking. No Allan you have to be emotionally mad to be completely >>> indifferent to major calamities. >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 12:54 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> It is possible to be be detached and positive ay the same time >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 5:18 AM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass >>>> >>>> So I conclude that detachment is not such a good thing and I would >>>> rather be positive with its chance of going into shock than to be >>>> indifferent to any outcome. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 8:36 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Biologically we split fairly well into two temperaments as infants. >>>>> Detachment seems reasonable as an 'ideal type' RP - though it has also >>>>> been >>>>> the excuse of 'fascist steel' and economists so stupid they imagine they >>>>> act by replicating the scientists' "objectivity" - a mythical state. Your >>>>> point was taken up by the Freud of 'Modernity and its Discontents' and the >>>>> split between the paranoid-schizoid and 'depressive' positions towards >>>>> life. Max Weber articulated the rational-legal position as against >>>>> charismatic fascism, but also worried about the iron cage of bureaucracy. >>>>> Heidegger and much eastern philosophy (which we have taken up in the West >>>>> with too much Greek modification and copying) focuses on what it is to be. >>>>> I'm more materialist at the beginning of analysis and think we need to >>>>> understand the big difference between what we can create with technology >>>>> and its business control. Veblen got to this, but his theory doesn't suit >>>>> the powerful. Around 1910 we had a lot of active political debate here on >>>>> democratic foreign policy (here people like ED Morel who unseated >>>>> Churchill >>>>> in Dundee, Wallace in the US and Gandhi). Even the Nazis had socialists >>>>> who wanted a union of free workers across Europe. I think we can safely >>>>> say fascism in Weber's sense has won. The world remains run by >>>>> oligarchies >>>>> who cut up the booty between them.. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 1:33:23 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> We can have a positive attitude or a negative attitude , but can we >>>>>> have a neutral attitude? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 6:16 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I have found that attachment to fruits of actions lead to much >>>>>>> heartbreak when the opposite of your expectation happens. It is written >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> the Gita that a person should live in a state of detachment and be the >>>>>>> same >>>>>>> in the good or bad occurrences , I don't know if this is possible human >>>>>>> nature being what it is , but if we can reach this state I think we can >>>>>>> be >>>>>>> better persons. Everything being history only actions are in our hands >>>>>>> including that of efforts to change ourselves , and the future is >>>>>>> history. >>>>>>> If you are expecting good and something very bad happens it seems like a >>>>>>> shock and for some moment at least you lose your balance but if you are >>>>>>> detached to the fruits of actions you are in a state of coolness and not >>>>>>> shaken by the greatest calamity ever. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 2:44 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You have to accept before you do and if you cannot accept the >>>>>>>> process stops. You have to keep some framework in your conscious mind >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> keep a conscious check on yourself and it is not a creed but a way of >>>>>>>> living , trying to improve yourself as a person. Now what wrong could >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> there in having self-respect and not being arrogant , what wrong in not >>>>>>>> being greedy and not have anger issues. If you want to stop smoking you >>>>>>>> have to first take the decision to stop , then only can you give the >>>>>>>> effort. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 2:02 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't really do creed Allan. Found too many people who talk >>>>>>>>> them and mean none. Chris' statement is probably as close as I get, >>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>> this soon doesn't work in practice. Doing no harm to others quickly >>>>>>>>> proves >>>>>>>>> difficult. We do this in the West simply by living as we do, praying >>>>>>>>> to the >>>>>>>>> Lord or otherwise. In some philosophy, all speech has a hostile >>>>>>>>> element,as >>>>>>>>> does censorship on what can be said. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The first thing for me is evidence. This is an extremely >>>>>>>>> difficult topic. Molly's God is quite acceptable to me, but my >>>>>>>>> evidence is >>>>>>>>> not direct. I only feel 'him' in her words (even this in evidence >>>>>>>>> terms is >>>>>>>>> inadequate - 'words' - we have never met). >>>>>>>>> The next is probably what Allan is trying to do here. I have some >>>>>>>>> conception of myself as a person and the turmoil of my thought and >>>>>>>>> making >>>>>>>>> sense of stuff. Other people have often proved to have much better >>>>>>>>> (and >>>>>>>>> much worse) ideas and been prepared to share them. George Kelly >>>>>>>>> springs to >>>>>>>>> my mind on this - http://www.centrepcp.co.uk/whatis.htm - and >>>>>>>>> personal construct theory. >>>>>>>>> I approve Allan's efforts here (though it's important to me he >>>>>>>>> need no such approval) - but immediately think we have a lot of >>>>>>>>> material >>>>>>>>> from all over the world and hundreds of different cultures (there are >>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>> many on Papua New Guinea alone). What of the evidence we have from >>>>>>>>> them, >>>>>>>>> against our predominantly 'white insularity'? >>>>>>>>> Evidence, imagination and trying to do the right thing. Read >>>>>>>>> about Socrates in Plato, but remember the fine words came from the >>>>>>>>> free >>>>>>>>> table at the head of a slave society. Hear about the Good Samaritan, >>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>> wonder why we still have a society of 'worthies' that just pass on by, >>>>>>>>> perhaps to their church of peace. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gabby doesn't live down a rabbit hole in Seven Acres Park Allan. >>>>>>>>> I thought she might not be answering the dogs' knocks because she >>>>>>>>> doesn't >>>>>>>>> like me, so asked the woman with the ferrets (she is real) to have >>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>> check. The world of imagination is such that when Gabbs says 'it >>>>>>>>> smells in >>>>>>>>> here' it could be because she has just come in, or she may be the >>>>>>>>> little >>>>>>>>> child pointing out the Emperor is naked. Language is harder than we >>>>>>>>> think. I have 'one smart little cookie' in mind about Gabby. This >>>>>>>>> could be >>>>>>>>> chronic sexism, patronising, an insult to cookies - or a quick utter >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> something I think that isn't quite that - or an offer to be beaten up >>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>> politically correct bullies. Walk with me into the rabbit hole of >>>>>>>>> !Kung >>>>>>>>> society - we would find no adult twins and we might ponder genetics - >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> fact, infanticide is common in their tough world. Would we think >>>>>>>>> badly of >>>>>>>>> them? They have creed. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It goes dark at night, therefore big bang. I prefer the way >>>>>>>>> scientists explain this to instruments of torture. Doing no harm to >>>>>>>>> others >>>>>>>>> collapses with je suis charlie. Religion sounds very selfish to me. >>>>>>>>> Yet >>>>>>>>> one can admire Salvation Army people doing a soup run, despite their >>>>>>>>> views >>>>>>>>> on homosexuality. Would I kill the second born twin? Down the !Kung >>>>>>>>> rabbit hole I probably would as !Kung. So where does creed come from? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'd like us to live in evidence based practice. Why we still >>>>>>>>> speak of creed in today's world of Public Relations appals me. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, February 1, 2015 at 10:07:28 PM UTC, Allan Heretic >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Neil are you sure Cabbies hiding in a rabbit hole?? Would like >>>>>>>>>> the guidelines she and the rest of the ME following.. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> To: Minds-Eye <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 9:13 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It's difficult to boil something as complex as personal moral >>>>>>>>>> relativism down into some simple edicts. I suppose the closest I >>>>>>>>>> could add >>>>>>>>>> would be: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - If it harms none, do as you will. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I hope others doctrine their personal moral ideas to the >>>>>>>>>>> discussion. The more we have the better ,, that includes you >>>>>>>>>>> Chris. And >>>>>>>>>>> Neil. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 3:37 PM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> My moral compass >>>>>>>>>>> Don't fear anything , but use your reasoning faculty to do the >>>>>>>>>>> right thing. >>>>>>>>>>> do not covet but earn and save for the needs of yourself and >>>>>>>>>>> family. >>>>>>>>>>> Do not be lustful but be happy with your spouse. >>>>>>>>>>> Do not be arrogant but respect yourself and others. >>>>>>>>>>> Don't be angry but take care to do your duties. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If you want a social experiment we need to set up moral >>>>>>>>>>>> guidelines from which to work.. if you disagree with them that >>>>>>>>>>>> is fine. >>>>>>>>>>>> ,, no problem.. just remember it really is a social experiment,, >>>>>>>>>>>> you need >>>>>>>>>>>> to come up with what your personal moral compass to replace it.. >>>>>>>>>>>> it is not >>>>>>>>>>>> a cut and paste exercise. My compass is around 500 created in >>>>>>>>>>>> length,, >>>>>>>>>>>> presentations should around that length. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> My Compass: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Love the Allfather with my whole Soul & being... >>>>>>>>>>>> Love my neighbor as myself >>>>>>>>>>>> As I judge other so too will I be judge >>>>>>>>>>>> Do No Harm >>>>>>>>>>>> Avoid murder, rape or enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>>> Avoid being enslaved by possessions >>>>>>>>>>>> ~~~※☆※~~~ >>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus said "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for >>>>>>>>>>>> all things are plain in the light of Heaven. For nothing hidden >>>>>>>>>>>> will not >>>>>>>>>>>> become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being >>>>>>>>>>>> uncovered." >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> ""Minds Eye"" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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