Religion to me is like being on the same page of Alice in Wonderland, 
whilst trying to plot a course to Mars, or reading of turning the other 
cheek in infantry training with Genghis already scouting our side of the 
river.  Paedophiles in the priesthood, swing some incense, learn to take 
the genocidal and chronic statements about women not literally.  This is 
life under the pheromones of the slave ant queen and the Inquisition of 
hive hygiene.

I tortured Allan the other day, with a 45 minute video of a chronic female 
patroniser telling us to adhere to a philosophy good if you are a slave or 
in a POW camp. She works at Yale, where economists learn to build the slave 
society and special camps.  Could have been worse, old friend, as I'd just 
read Numbers 31.  Well worth a watch, I'm sure Allan will agree, if you are 
terrorised by the thought a shop might not have broccoli when you have put 
it on your shopping list.  You have to stop worrying about things beyond 
the remit of self, like broccoli supply or economic change (but stick with 
broccoli shortage, better not let too much reality in).

I'm with Pol on this one, though attending chimp pagan rites and bush-jay 
funerals in search of some better origin.  The mad and often vile, 
not-to-be-taken-literally pages to all be on, of an obscure antiquity 
gewarted to a presence under incense and chanting, to the exclusion of what 
matters - how like economics - is not for me.  I have an aversion to men in 
skirts and silly hats, once they start asking me for money for good causes 
they never eradicate.

Getting down to a ritual seasonal dance with the chimps, perhaps with Gabby 
scoffing at my lack of primal skill, or wondering if scrub-jays feel sorrow 
in my sombre remembrance and fellowship on loss, is more my religious 
scene.  I hope a jubilee and launch of a modern world is coming in 
religious fashion, aware of the Gnosis of the Cathar hurling herself into 
the pit-fire made by loving Catholics in the hope nothingness is better 
than this hell on Earth.  Religion was once about freedom from debt.  Like 
everything with origin, it is noble and ignoble.

Tony's quest in hermeneutics (a common word amongst my criminal brethren, 
lest Gabby hear privilege) for original meaning - no apple, no snake, yet a 
talking serpent - dies in sacred book that may not be original in any sense 
his art achieves (how is the latest coming?).  What is religion in 
primitive societies we have been able to witness in the 'world until 
yesterday' and our own history not written by sycophantic charlatans 
copying their own past in misogynist language not to be taken literally in 
the future?

Don't look, whatever you do.  It spoils that selfish bliss of the embraced 
paradox of ignorance on the same page.  The Church of England, now run by a 
businessman who knows the business case for female bishops, wanted its 
tithes paid in the great recession.  Our fascists were mobilised to prevent 
evictions. Sometimes, one must choose a lesser evil.  How did the 
religionists not know their own vile behaviour, when a few (presumably 
equally bemused) stout lads could see the rotten core?  Religion might be 
many useful things (Molly's therapy is an example, Lee's 'seeking', Allan's 
'conservative heresy).  These lights are sadly hidden under a bushel.

My thanks to Allan for 'sending over some Dutch-accented chimps' to 
Scotland.  Initially, all was lost in translation in their communication 
with my fellow Scottish Pagans, but the lads and lasses soon converted to 
our local religion and language.  Humans lack their language skills and 
abilities in getting on in diversity.  The chimps are now rejecting the 
religion of the book in guttural Glaswegian.  It seems they prefer apples 
to promises from the sacred same page.  Bless their little cotton socks, 
they have asked me to commission something really arty from Tony they can 
eat, while they paint the scenarios I relate.  The vicar pops by to play 
ball games with them, as he did in recognising me as a hopeless case for 
indoctrination other than as an opening batsman. 



On Friday, February 6, 2015 at 3:45:11 AM UTC, archytas wrote:
>
> I agree with Wikipedia.
>
> On Friday, February 6, 2015 at 3:40:25 AM UTC, archytas wrote:
>>
>> I was waiting for the cunning Tony.  Obi-wan Kenobi is a management 
>> trick, like Poga-Oke (more or less 'fool-proofing).  I understand it 
>> materialises the St Michael.
>>
>> You are right.  Chimps do some basic season worship and scrub-jays hold 
>> funerals.  Religion origins long before the book.
>>
>> On Thursday, February 5, 2015 at 8:00:19 PM UTC, facilitator wrote:
>>>
>>> Neil pulled an "Obi-wan Kenobi"…You don't need to define big Religions.
>>>
>>> I don't think any religion started as some bit to control the masses 
>>> since at the time the "masses" were very small. Thats a re-write of history 
>>> based on current perception of Opiate for the masses saturation.
>>>
>>>
>>>

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