Actually I stumbled acrossed the quote. My first impression of norm is where we are right now. We have the normal way we respond to situations. We need to deviate to grow especially spiritually. How often are we trapped because we can not devaite our stand.
تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others -----Original Message----- From: archytas <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, 08 Feb 2015 10:11 PM Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Norm Norms are the means to achieve social action. If norms can thrive and spread, they can also die out. We do witness sudden and unexpected change of well-established patterns of behaviour. Smoking in public without asking for permission is quickly becoming unacceptable, and only a few years ago nobody would have worried about using gender-laden language. One would expect inefficient norms (such as discriminatory norms against women and minorities) to disappear more rapidly and with greater frequency than more efficient ones. However, inefficiency is not a sufficient condition for a norm's demise: instead, it is only a necessary condition. This can best be seen by the study of corruption. There are many examples, past and present, of uniformly corrupt societies. Corruption fosters huge social costs, but costs—even when they take a society to the brink of collapse—are not enough to generate an overhaul of the system (such as the current crisis). We have long demonstrated that corruption can be an unstable equilibrium in a fixed population. In more realistic settings, in which the population is variable, a society can cycle between ‘honest’ and corrupt social norms, without a single stable state. So how do we achieve new norms? Can we have norms within norms that allow/encourage difference and adaptation to change. Biology does. Religion, away from fundamentalists does too. RP rightly wants security. Gabby might be seen as in creative tension between the same page and radical deconstruction. Facil between anarchism and moralism. Allan owns the coffee machine so I have to listen. Somewhere, individualism must come in - but as an ideology this probably fails. Knowledge, if we could make it more understandable as Andrew has often ventured, would help, as would something like Bitcoin to break the normative control of money by banks. Molly and the light could change norms - I'm much more materialist. Chris would seem to advocate beer, but has to explain how he is sober enough to have some great ideas. Tough question Allan and we should remember there are some norms we would resist by force. On Sunday, February 8, 2015 at 8:22:12 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: > > Very true. > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: archytas <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sun, 08 Feb 2015 9:19 PM > Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Norm > > Social norms can have positive benefits like welfare maximization and new > ones also emerge through time > > On Sunday, February 8, 2015 at 8:05:53 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >> >> Basic biology. >> >> On Sunday, February 8, 2015 at 7:53:15 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>> >>> Without devation from the norm progress is not possible. >>> >>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres >>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
