We could say a lot on the zombies. On Sunday, February 8, 2015 at 10:27:44 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: > > Was reflecting back over time.. Do you remember the thread I started on > spiritual zombies? Started it to stimulate input ME was pretty dead at > the time.. It was well ignored. But it did deviate me from my norm.. My > position was well established and refined as well as defendable. I have > a signed copy of his book. Didn't agree with him.. But but I had to deviate > from my norm. > > I have been a watcher all my life. My friend Tim > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: archytas <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sun, 08 Feb 2015 11:01 PM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Norm > > I wasn't thinking you'd become a sociologist overnight - well not quite > because we all are really. I've come across groups heavily into > anthroposophy who believe we need new spiritual states to change practice. > Norm rather implies social as a term. Our imagination works on shaken up > memories to try and plot new future, though cognitive dissonance works they > other way, moulding all evidence to a world-view network. It's tough as > most people fear even expressing their beliefs. > > On Sunday, 8 February 2015 21:33:07 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> Actually I stumbled acrossed the quote. >> My first impression of norm is where we are right now. We have the normal >> way we respond to situations. We need to deviate to grow especially >> spiritually. >> How often are we trapped because we can not devaite our stand. >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: archytas <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sun, 08 Feb 2015 10:11 PM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Norm >> >> Norms are the means to achieve social action. If norms can thrive and >> spread, they can also die out. We do witness sudden and unexpected change >> of well-established patterns of behaviour. Smoking in public without asking >> for permission is quickly becoming unacceptable, and only a few years ago >> nobody would have worried about using gender-laden language. One would >> expect inefficient norms (such as discriminatory norms against women and >> minorities) to disappear more rapidly and with greater frequency than more >> efficient ones. However, inefficiency is not a sufficient condition for a >> norm's demise: instead, it is only a necessary condition. This can best be >> seen by the study of corruption. There are many examples, past and present, >> of uniformly corrupt societies. Corruption fosters huge social costs, but >> costs—even when they take a society to the brink of collapse—are not enough >> to generate an overhaul of the system (such as the current crisis). We >> have long demonstrated that corruption can be an unstable equilibrium in a >> fixed population. In more realistic settings, in which the population is >> variable, a society can cycle between ‘honest’ and corrupt social norms, >> without a single stable state. >> >> So how do we achieve new norms? Can we have norms within norms that >> allow/encourage difference and adaptation to change. Biology does. >> Religion, away from fundamentalists does too. RP rightly wants security. >> Gabby might be seen as in creative tension between the same page and >> radical deconstruction. Facil between anarchism and moralism. Allan owns >> the coffee machine so I have to listen. Somewhere, individualism must come >> in - but as an ideology this probably fails. Knowledge, if we could make >> it more understandable as Andrew has often ventured, would help, as would >> something like Bitcoin to break the normative control of money by banks. >> Molly and the light could change norms - I'm much more materialist. Chris >> would seem to advocate beer, but has to explain how he is sober enough to >> have some great ideas. >> >> Tough question Allan and we should remember there are some norms we would >> resist by force. >> >> On Sunday, February 8, 2015 at 8:22:12 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>> >>> Very true. >>> >>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres >>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Sun, 08 Feb 2015 9:19 PM >>> Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Norm >>> >>> Social norms can have positive benefits like welfare maximization and >>> new ones also emerge through time >>> >>> On Sunday, February 8, 2015 at 8:05:53 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >>>> >>>> Basic biology. >>>> >>>> On Sunday, February 8, 2015 at 7:53:15 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Without devation from the norm progress is not possible. >>>>> >>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres >>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -- >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> ""Minds Eye"" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >
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