When god created the giraffe he was drunk indeed. The sun itself is waiting for we roses to bloom. I would struggle to play rugby in today's 'go easy on the orange juice old boy' times.
On Monday, February 9, 2015 at 6:47:17 PM UTC, Chris Jenkins wrote: > > The great ideas only come once the beer has blotted the noise up front, > old boy. Not blotto, mind you, just knocked the rough edges off. I'm > familiar with the black abyss that waits just a few footsteps beyond. > Bukowski's legacy is romantic, but living it wasn't, and I have no > intention of retracing his footsteps. > > On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 4:11 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Norms are the means to achieve social action. If norms can thrive and >> spread, they can also die out. We do witness sudden and unexpected change >> of well-established patterns of behaviour. Smoking in public without asking >> for permission is quickly becoming unacceptable, and only a few years ago >> nobody would have worried about using gender-laden language. One would >> expect inefficient norms (such as discriminatory norms against women and >> minorities) to disappear more rapidly and with greater frequency than more >> efficient ones. However, inefficiency is not a sufficient condition for a >> norm's demise: instead, it is only a necessary condition. This can best be >> seen by the study of corruption. There are many examples, past and present, >> of uniformly corrupt societies. Corruption fosters huge social costs, but >> costs—even when they take a society to the brink of collapse—are not enough >> to generate an overhaul of the system (such as the current crisis). We >> have long demonstrated that corruption can be an unstable equilibrium in a >> fixed population. In more realistic settings, in which the population is >> variable, a society can cycle between ‘honest’ and corrupt social norms, >> without a single stable state. >> >> So how do we achieve new norms? Can we have norms within norms that >> allow/encourage difference and adaptation to change. Biology does. >> Religion, away from fundamentalists does too. RP rightly wants security. >> Gabby might be seen as in creative tension between the same page and >> radical deconstruction. Facil between anarchism and moralism. Allan owns >> the coffee machine so I have to listen. Somewhere, individualism must come >> in - but as an ideology this probably fails. Knowledge, if we could make >> it more understandable as Andrew has often ventured, would help, as would >> something like Bitcoin to break the normative control of money by banks. >> Molly and the light could change norms - I'm much more materialist. Chris >> would seem to advocate beer, but has to explain how he is sober enough to >> have some great ideas. >> >> Tough question Allan and we should remember there are some norms we would >> resist by force. >> >> On Sunday, February 8, 2015 at 8:22:12 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>> >>> Very true. >>> >>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres >>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Sun, 08 Feb 2015 9:19 PM >>> Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Norm >>> >>> Social norms can have positive benefits like welfare maximization and >>> new ones also emerge through time >>> >>> On Sunday, February 8, 2015 at 8:05:53 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >>>> >>>> Basic biology. >>>> >>>> On Sunday, February 8, 2015 at 7:53:15 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Without devation from the norm progress is not possible. >>>>> >>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres >>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -- >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> ""Minds Eye"" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
