The great ideas only come once the beer has blotted the noise up front, old boy. Not blotto, mind you, just knocked the rough edges off. I'm familiar with the black abyss that waits just a few footsteps beyond. Bukowski's legacy is romantic, but living it wasn't, and I have no intention of retracing his footsteps.
On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 4:11 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > Norms are the means to achieve social action. If norms can thrive and > spread, they can also die out. We do witness sudden and unexpected change > of well-established patterns of behaviour. Smoking in public without asking > for permission is quickly becoming unacceptable, and only a few years ago > nobody would have worried about using gender-laden language. One would > expect inefficient norms (such as discriminatory norms against women and > minorities) to disappear more rapidly and with greater frequency than more > efficient ones. However, inefficiency is not a sufficient condition for a > norm's demise: instead, it is only a necessary condition. This can best be > seen by the study of corruption. There are many examples, past and present, > of uniformly corrupt societies. Corruption fosters huge social costs, but > costs—even when they take a society to the brink of collapse—are not enough > to generate an overhaul of the system (such as the current crisis). We > have long demonstrated that corruption can be an unstable equilibrium in a > fixed population. In more realistic settings, in which the population is > variable, a society can cycle between ‘honest’ and corrupt social norms, > without a single stable state. > > So how do we achieve new norms? Can we have norms within norms that > allow/encourage difference and adaptation to change. Biology does. > Religion, away from fundamentalists does too. RP rightly wants security. > Gabby might be seen as in creative tension between the same page and > radical deconstruction. Facil between anarchism and moralism. Allan owns > the coffee machine so I have to listen. Somewhere, individualism must come > in - but as an ideology this probably fails. Knowledge, if we could make > it more understandable as Andrew has often ventured, would help, as would > something like Bitcoin to break the normative control of money by banks. > Molly and the light could change norms - I'm much more materialist. Chris > would seem to advocate beer, but has to explain how he is sober enough to > have some great ideas. > > Tough question Allan and we should remember there are some norms we would > resist by force. > > On Sunday, February 8, 2015 at 8:22:12 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> Very true. >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: archytas <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sun, 08 Feb 2015 9:19 PM >> Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Norm >> >> Social norms can have positive benefits like welfare maximization and new >> ones also emerge through time >> >> On Sunday, February 8, 2015 at 8:05:53 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >>> >>> Basic biology. >>> >>> On Sunday, February 8, 2015 at 7:53:15 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>> >>>> Without devation from the norm progress is not possible. >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>> >>> -- >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> ""Minds Eye"" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
