Oh man, Merry Monk is one of my favorites. I'm a sucker for Tripels...more so for Quadrupels.
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 7:40 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > Boddingtons' was the favourite bitter back in cop/army days. It was weak > abv, amber, creamy and nectar. Since then big brewers took over, closed > the old brewery and ruined the flavour.darkened the colour and the flavour > went malty. Brings a tear to my eye to drink the much now. Holt's bitter > was the classic though. Smelled like an old kangaroo's jock-strap or > something Gabby throws in her cauldron. You had to get the first pint down > holding your breath, By about the fourth, it was all cream nectar and you > just had to make it eight. It was all live beer in 36 gallon barrels back > then, manipulated into cellars by gangs of muscular dwarfs, watched over > for days by a loving but grisly landlord who sank the first edible pint > himself just to let us know who was in charge. Then came pasteurised beer > and lager - and shameful sights like me and Railway Frank arm-wrestling for > the last pint of Merry Monk. I won, but had to let him have the beer to > make up for that. > > > On Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 11:42:45 PM UTC, Chris Jenkins wrote: >> >> I'm enjoying a Boddie's now; it's no Younger's 2, but it's got a nice >> creamy head. I can't find enough of the bitters here though; IPA's are the >> frat boy craft beer of choice. >> >> My good mates live on a 42' single mast now; the children are gone, and >> land held no attraction. I've still got another eight years or so before >> that becomes a possibility. >> >> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 6:34 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Just right for a transportation sentence then. Used to sail. My >>> balance is crap now. Flying a desk just ain't it. When I was more >>> actively engaged, some of the best parts involved solitude. I miss that. >>> Loneliness is not the same thing. Bolton pubs have an air of desperation >>> now, so I don't bother. The ale is usually cack too. That old fuggy muggy >>> behind the sanctity of the pub door has faded to disinfectant and stale >>> food smells. And I used to smoke when drinking. Not the same without. >>> Plus 'young punk' violence is much worse now. >>> >>> I still get out to sea a couple of times a year on a mate's fishing >>> smack. His quota days have just increased from 4 to 5 days a month. >>> There's no living in it any more. Due out with him at the end of the month >>> and will probably resume normal beer service then. Theakston's Old >>> Peculiar and another black beer, Younger's No 2 are a treat when properly >>> creamy. You'd still be sucking the stuff in from that facial appendage the >>> following day. >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 11:02:09 PM UTC, Chris Jenkins wrote: >>>> >>>> My pony tail and beard are built for the sea, but I skipper a desk >>>> chair, more to my chagrin. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 5:52 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Who are you calling an old pirate, Blackbeard? And what kind of >>>>> nancy-boy pubs where they let woman in other than to be barmaids 'ave ye >>>>> been drinkin' in? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 10:28:39 PM UTC, Chris Jenkins >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Only to an old pirate. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 5:26 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Has anyone else noticed that a colon and a right parenthesis look >>>>>>> like a symbol for a cut-throat razor? :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, 11 February 2015 22:19:52 UTC, Chris Jenkins wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No justifications, dear Gabs. Just a correction. :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 4:58 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Oh yes, What, who, whose questions are being ommitted is quite >>>>>>>>> telling. There is a geometry in that too, of course. I explicitly >>>>>>>>> said no >>>>>>>>> blaming, and you come up with justifications?! For what? Yes, we were >>>>>>>>> close >>>>>>>>> to my wish come true, but then Facil appeared and it all started >>>>>>>>> again. >>>>>>>>> There is nothing I can do about it from where I sit. ;) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Am Mittwoch, 11. Februar 2015 schrieb Chris Jenkins : >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Oh, how quickly time muddles the recollection...perhaps you >>>>>>>>>> should go back and review some of those posts before I left. It was >>>>>>>>>> for the >>>>>>>>>> same reason Craig did, and had nothing to do with the legacy nature >>>>>>>>>> of an >>>>>>>>>> email list. I was overloaded between job and family, and simply >>>>>>>>>> couldn't >>>>>>>>>> keep up with the volume of communication (a strike against your >>>>>>>>>> assertion I >>>>>>>>>> left because I knew it was an outdated format). There were hundreds >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> posts, some of them quite combative (*ahem*), and any action taken >>>>>>>>>> by mods >>>>>>>>>> to keep the list adhering to its original intent was met with a >>>>>>>>>> hearty >>>>>>>>>> round of "fuck you matey". It was draining. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My goodbye: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/minds-ey >>>>>>>>>> e/by$20chris/minds-eye/ZQB5vLJ2rSI/0GbRK-9nz-AJ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Note that I put it to the group to decide, specifically because >>>>>>>>>> there was no other way to effectively determine any sort of self >>>>>>>>>> governance, and I didn't feel I had the right to make an arbitrary >>>>>>>>>> decision >>>>>>>>>> without input. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You promptly attacked every facet of my decision (and I expected >>>>>>>>>> no less). There was a long and robust conversation with a ton of >>>>>>>>>> familiar >>>>>>>>>> faces (most missing now). Your first vote was for a natural death. >>>>>>>>>> Have you >>>>>>>>>> gotten your wish? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 12:37 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Over a thousand members, 5 actually post? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This question coming from you? YOU! Oh come on, Chrissy baby! >>>>>>>>>>> This is an outdated format here that doesn't generate much traffic >>>>>>>>>>> anymore. >>>>>>>>>>> You know that, that`s your job to know that, that`s why you quit >>>>>>>>>>> the mod >>>>>>>>>>> job here! No one is blaming you for that but don´t play the >>>>>>>>>>> innocent here! >>>>>>>>>>> You introduced no transparent polling as to who should become your >>>>>>>>>>> successor, but lay down your crown to the one who threw his hat in >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> ring, a method acceptable for the queen also. Nice try, dear. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2015-02-11 17:34 GMT+01:00 Chris Jenkins < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, he passed the bar some time ago, which is a big part of >>>>>>>>>>>> why he no longer had time for these conversations. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> He's not alone in that, apparently. Over a thousand members, 5 >>>>>>>>>>>> actually post? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:32 AM, archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Such charm as ever Gabby. The term paedophile is not well >>>>>>>>>>>>> taken here and may really insult Allan and make him sad. Molly >>>>>>>>>>>>> was gone, >>>>>>>>>>>>> in the sense of 'gone fishin'. Craig was becoming a lawyer. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope he made >>>>>>>>>>>>> it. He was a Mormon too. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It would have been nice to hear updates on Bacon. There were >>>>>>>>>>>>> eleven Idols. I expect your superior model incorporates them, or >>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps >>>>>>>>>>>>> spits spleen. We can only be sure of never seeing it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> We model defeasibly now and use a lot of geometry because a >>>>>>>>>>>>> lot of us think in shape. The idea is to make natural language >>>>>>>>>>>>> usable by >>>>>>>>>>>>> the machine. It has even more difficulty making sense of just >>>>>>>>>>>>> what humans >>>>>>>>>>>>> say than a pair of paranoid-schizoid positionists. We do >>>>>>>>>>>>> consider 'shapes' >>>>>>>>>>>>> like the molygon as underliers in our logic and they are >>>>>>>>>>>>> instructive. A >>>>>>>>>>>>> gabbygon is on the horizon - some no doubt thinking this is the >>>>>>>>>>>>> best >>>>>>>>>>>>> place. The general theory is called 'bag of words' - we look for >>>>>>>>>>>>> shapes in >>>>>>>>>>>>> text to give context meaning and identify root metaphors. You >>>>>>>>>>>>> probably >>>>>>>>>>>>> know how the SNERT stands out like a sore thumb? Maybe accusing >>>>>>>>>>>>> old men >>>>>>>>>>>>> and their dogs kind of thing? We are trying to find much more >>>>>>>>>>>>> routine >>>>>>>>>>>>> issues in word use to get at some of Tony has described as >>>>>>>>>>>>> dishonesty from >>>>>>>>>>>>> 'bag of words' samples taken from the 'marketplace' and other Idol >>>>>>>>>>>>> conversations. What the machine establishes from metadata - >>>>>>>>>>>>> considering we >>>>>>>>>>>>> often haven't - is fascinating because we are not sure what it i >>>>>>>>>>>>> doing at >>>>>>>>>>>>> all. We have it working on the self-justification of psychopaths >>>>>>>>>>>>> at the >>>>>>>>>>>>> moment. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gravity obviously collapses on seeing a photograph of me. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the memory. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 3:13:50 PM UTC, Gabby wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This here is my real lesson. You have been bringing up and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pushing this idol model so many times that I have forgotten what >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the one >>>>>>>>>>>>>> was that I found better. All that I remember is that it was >>>>>>>>>>>>>> either located >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the alchemy or in the metaphysical poetry context. It was a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> perfect four >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is all that is left. It has been overwritten by your four idols. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2015-02-11 1:35 GMT+01:00 archytas <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Francis Bacon classified the intellectual fallacies of his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time under four headings which he called idols. He >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distinguished them as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idols of the Tribe, idols of the e, idols of the Marketplace >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and idols of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Theatre. An idol is an image, in this case held in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mind, which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receives veneration but is without substance in itself. Bacon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regard idols as symbols, but rather as fixations. They expand >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a bit like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Tribe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The example of desiring to see more order in the universe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than is actually there is one of his examples of an idol of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tribe. He >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinks that we all suffer from that one. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Cave >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> An example of an idol of the cave (one of Bacon's examples) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is that some minds are more drawn to new things and new ideas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than they are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to what has been around for a long time, while other minds are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more drawn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to "tradition" and "old school" ideas and ways than they are to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> newness. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bacon thinks we should become aware what our own tendency is so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make corrections for it. He hopes that by becoming aware of our >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own mind's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tendencies toward loving novelty or tradition that we might be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> able to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "correct" for them and then hopefully see things more clearly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and truly. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Marketplace >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We often use words very loosely in common discourse. Bacon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sees nothing wrong with that when we are just speaking ordinary >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> language >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with friends and family. But, when it comes to trying to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> describe the world >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accurately and precisely, we should be aware of our tendency to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use words >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loosely and should try to correct for it. When we are trying to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speak >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> precisely we should probably not say things like "The mountain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today" (anyone outside of the Puget Sound area wouldn't have a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clue what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this means); or "The sun went under a cloud" (the sun did not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go anywhere, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let along underneath something); or "The sun came up this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> morning" (the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earth actually just rotated). None of those sentences is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> precisely true, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and if we use language imprecisely like this it can sometimes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accidentally >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lead to huge misapprehensions about the world. Bacon thinks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this misuse of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> words and language causes far more problems than we realize. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Theatre >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you can think of someone you know who has recently bought >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into a whole new religion or philosophy or psychology, you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how they have suddenly come to interpret everything in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> universe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> according to their new world view. That world view has become >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the new lens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through which they perceive and interpret everything in their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world. What >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bacon says, though, is that we all do this. We all interpret >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the world >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through the lens of our own little world view. It's just easier >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other people doing it than it is to see ourselves doing it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bacon thinks we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should become aware of how these world views shape and distort >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our own >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perceptions of the world so that we might be able to correct >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for it a bit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is old work. My questions are about how we recognise >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 'second head' as a delusion yet move hardly at all on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obvious political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delusions like economics, votes counting, social care, public >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the making invisible of many social issues. For me, deep >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions on self >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are involved. The internet self is unlikely to be, as Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> says, the same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as the 'real'one - but then we have know for much longer than >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the internet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people don't say the same things in different contexts. In >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact the man or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> woman in the bar often looks totally different the morning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after, let alone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what the politician says in a speech compared with when she is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with her >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backroom boys in the spin room. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 10:17:04 PM UTC, archytas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At least with my knowledge of delusions I can imagine >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certain people growing a second head overnight and shooting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the wrong >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spare. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 10:11:09 PM UTC, archytas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That seems to run to form Gabby. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 10:06:43 PM UTC, Gabby >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Facil picked up your question and gave his answer, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agreed and then came Allan barking at Facil and I told Allan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to watch his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tongue or leave to his own thread. Only then did you enter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the group >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> timeline to start your big daddy has come home show. Now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tell me what my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deceitful intent was ... Or better, tell me tomorrow, I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off for today. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Dienstag, 10. Februar 2015 schrieb archytas : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only people I meet like that tend to be online >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> students Tony. We use Skype video conferencing for a few >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sessions, so have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually seen each other. I'm quieter than people imagine, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though none >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have yet said 'uglier'. I'm very prone to catch whatever >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bugs go around >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> university environments too, so rather like electronic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distance. With >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colleagues, the situation is we know a lot more about each >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other than most >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in online encounters. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My version has 'confusion' written through it. I say >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something, Gabby takes it another way, or knows what I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intended and chooses >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another slant for whatever reason. Online, I assume she >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has a sense of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> humour and a good turn with words. Deception is not part >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of this in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first place. Just guesses with less risk than so called >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reality. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suppose the classic online deceiver is the groomer - where >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the intent is to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up and image and then meet the victim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 7:54:18 PM UTC, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> facilitator wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 2:11:33 PM UTC-5, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> archytas wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The delusion that we are what we project is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting Tony. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "We claim to be what we project". Your version allows >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for reality mine allows for dishonesty. 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