Just right for a transportation sentence then. Used to sail. My balance is crap now. Flying a desk just ain't it. When I was more actively engaged, some of the best parts involved solitude. I miss that. Loneliness is not the same thing. Bolton pubs have an air of desperation now, so I don't bother. The ale is usually cack too. That old fuggy muggy behind the sanctity of the pub door has faded to disinfectant and stale food smells. And I used to smoke when drinking. Not the same without. Plus 'young punk' violence is much worse now.
I still get out to sea a couple of times a year on a mate's fishing smack. His quota days have just increased from 4 to 5 days a month. There's no living in it any more. Due out with him at the end of the month and will probably resume normal beer service then. Theakston's Old Peculiar and another black beer, Younger's No 2 are a treat when properly creamy. You'd still be sucking the stuff in from that facial appendage the following day. On Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 11:02:09 PM UTC, Chris Jenkins wrote: > > My pony tail and beard are built for the sea, but I skipper a desk chair, > more to my chagrin. > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 5:52 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Who are you calling an old pirate, Blackbeard? And what kind of >> nancy-boy pubs where they let woman in other than to be barmaids 'ave ye >> been drinkin' in? >> >> >> On Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 10:28:39 PM UTC, Chris Jenkins wrote: >>> >>> Only to an old pirate. >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 5:26 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Has anyone else noticed that a colon and a right parenthesis look like >>>> a symbol for a cut-throat razor? :) >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, 11 February 2015 22:19:52 UTC, Chris Jenkins wrote: >>>>> >>>>> No justifications, dear Gabs. Just a correction. :) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 4:58 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Oh yes, What, who, whose questions are being ommitted is quite >>>>>> telling. There is a geometry in that too, of course. I explicitly said >>>>>> no >>>>>> blaming, and you come up with justifications?! For what? Yes, we were >>>>>> close >>>>>> to my wish come true, but then Facil appeared and it all started again. >>>>>> There is nothing I can do about it from where I sit. ;) >>>>>> >>>>>> Am Mittwoch, 11. Februar 2015 schrieb Chris Jenkins : >>>>>> >>>>>>> Oh, how quickly time muddles the recollection...perhaps you should >>>>>>> go back and review some of those posts before I left. It was for the >>>>>>> same >>>>>>> reason Craig did, and had nothing to do with the legacy nature of an >>>>>>> email >>>>>>> list. I was overloaded between job and family, and simply couldn't keep >>>>>>> up >>>>>>> with the volume of communication (a strike against your assertion I >>>>>>> left >>>>>>> because I knew it was an outdated format). There were hundreds of >>>>>>> posts, >>>>>>> some of them quite combative (*ahem*), and any action taken by mods to >>>>>>> keep >>>>>>> the list adhering to its original intent was met with a hearty round of >>>>>>> "fuck you matey". It was draining. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My goodbye: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/minds- >>>>>>> eye/by$20chris/minds-eye/ZQB5vLJ2rSI/0GbRK-9nz-AJ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Note that I put it to the group to decide, specifically because >>>>>>> there was no other way to effectively determine any sort of self >>>>>>> governance, and I didn't feel I had the right to make an arbitrary >>>>>>> decision >>>>>>> without input. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You promptly attacked every facet of my decision (and I expected no >>>>>>> less). There was a long and robust conversation with a ton of familiar >>>>>>> faces (most missing now). Your first vote was for a natural death. Have >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> gotten your wish? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 12:37 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Over a thousand members, 5 actually post? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This question coming from you? YOU! Oh come on, Chrissy baby! This >>>>>>>> is an outdated format here that doesn't generate much traffic anymore. >>>>>>>> You >>>>>>>> know that, that`s your job to know that, that`s why you quit the mod >>>>>>>> job >>>>>>>> here! No one is blaming you for that but don´t play the innocent here! >>>>>>>> You >>>>>>>> introduced no transparent polling as to who should become your >>>>>>>> successor, >>>>>>>> but lay down your crown to the one who threw his hat in the ring, a >>>>>>>> method >>>>>>>> acceptable for the queen also. Nice try, dear. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2015-02-11 17:34 GMT+01:00 Chris Jenkins < >>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yep, he passed the bar some time ago, which is a big part of why >>>>>>>>> he no longer had time for these conversations. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> He's not alone in that, apparently. Over a thousand members, 5 >>>>>>>>> actually post? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:32 AM, archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Such charm as ever Gabby. The term paedophile is not well taken >>>>>>>>>> here and may really insult Allan and make him sad. Molly was gone, >>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>> sense of 'gone fishin'. Craig was becoming a lawyer. Hope he made >>>>>>>>>> it. He >>>>>>>>>> was a Mormon too. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It would have been nice to hear updates on Bacon. There were >>>>>>>>>> eleven Idols. I expect your superior model incorporates them, or >>>>>>>>>> perhaps >>>>>>>>>> spits spleen. We can only be sure of never seeing it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We model defeasibly now and use a lot of geometry because a lot >>>>>>>>>> of us think in shape. The idea is to make natural language usable >>>>>>>>>> by the >>>>>>>>>> machine. It has even more difficulty making sense of just what >>>>>>>>>> humans say >>>>>>>>>> than a pair of paranoid-schizoid positionists. We do consider >>>>>>>>>> 'shapes' >>>>>>>>>> like the molygon as underliers in our logic and they are >>>>>>>>>> instructive. A >>>>>>>>>> gabbygon is on the horizon - some no doubt thinking this is the best >>>>>>>>>> place. The general theory is called 'bag of words' - we look for >>>>>>>>>> shapes in >>>>>>>>>> text to give context meaning and identify root metaphors. You >>>>>>>>>> probably >>>>>>>>>> know how the SNERT stands out like a sore thumb? Maybe accusing old >>>>>>>>>> men >>>>>>>>>> and their dogs kind of thing? We are trying to find much more >>>>>>>>>> routine >>>>>>>>>> issues in word use to get at some of Tony has described as >>>>>>>>>> dishonesty from >>>>>>>>>> 'bag of words' samples taken from the 'marketplace' and other Idol >>>>>>>>>> conversations. What the machine establishes from metadata - >>>>>>>>>> considering we >>>>>>>>>> often haven't - is fascinating because we are not sure what it i >>>>>>>>>> doing at >>>>>>>>>> all. We have it working on the self-justification of psychopaths at >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> moment. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Gravity obviously collapses on seeing a photograph of me. Thanks >>>>>>>>>> for the memory. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 3:13:50 PM UTC, Gabby wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This here is my real lesson. You have been bringing up and >>>>>>>>>>> pushing this idol model so many times that I have forgotten what >>>>>>>>>>> the one >>>>>>>>>>> was that I found better. All that I remember is that it was either >>>>>>>>>>> located >>>>>>>>>>> in the alchemy or in the metaphysical poetry context. It was a >>>>>>>>>>> perfect four >>>>>>>>>>> is all that is left. It has been overwritten by your four idols. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2015-02-11 1:35 GMT+01:00 archytas <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Francis Bacon classified the intellectual fallacies of his time >>>>>>>>>>>> under four headings which he called idols. He distinguished them >>>>>>>>>>>> as idols >>>>>>>>>>>> of the Tribe, idols of the e, idols of the Marketplace and idols >>>>>>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>>>>>> Theatre. An idol is an image, in this case held in the mind, which >>>>>>>>>>>> receives >>>>>>>>>>>> veneration but is without substance in itself. Bacon did not >>>>>>>>>>>> regard idols >>>>>>>>>>>> as symbols, but rather as fixations. They expand a bit like this: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Tribe >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The example of desiring to see more order in the universe than >>>>>>>>>>>> is actually there is one of his examples of an idol of the tribe. >>>>>>>>>>>> He thinks >>>>>>>>>>>> that we all suffer from that one. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Cave >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> An example of an idol of the cave (one of Bacon's examples) is >>>>>>>>>>>> that some minds are more drawn to new things and new ideas than >>>>>>>>>>>> they are to >>>>>>>>>>>> what has been around for a long time, while other minds are more >>>>>>>>>>>> drawn to >>>>>>>>>>>> "tradition" and "old school" ideas and ways than they are to >>>>>>>>>>>> newness. Bacon >>>>>>>>>>>> thinks we should become aware what our own tendency is so that we >>>>>>>>>>>> can make >>>>>>>>>>>> corrections for it. He hopes that by becoming aware of our own >>>>>>>>>>>> mind's >>>>>>>>>>>> tendencies toward loving novelty or tradition that we might be >>>>>>>>>>>> able to >>>>>>>>>>>> "correct" for them and then hopefully see things more clearly and >>>>>>>>>>>> truly. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Marketplace >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We often use words very loosely in common discourse. Bacon sees >>>>>>>>>>>> nothing wrong with that when we are just speaking ordinary >>>>>>>>>>>> language with >>>>>>>>>>>> friends and family. But, when it comes to trying to describe the >>>>>>>>>>>> world >>>>>>>>>>>> accurately and precisely, we should be aware of our tendency to >>>>>>>>>>>> use words >>>>>>>>>>>> loosely and should try to correct for it. When we are trying to >>>>>>>>>>>> speak >>>>>>>>>>>> precisely we should probably not say things like "The mountain is >>>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>>> today" (anyone outside of the Puget Sound area wouldn't have a >>>>>>>>>>>> clue what >>>>>>>>>>>> this means); or "The sun went under a cloud" (the sun did not go >>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere, >>>>>>>>>>>> let along underneath something); or "The sun came up this morning" >>>>>>>>>>>> (the >>>>>>>>>>>> earth actually just rotated). None of those sentences is precisely >>>>>>>>>>>> true, >>>>>>>>>>>> and if we use language imprecisely like this it can sometimes >>>>>>>>>>>> accidentally >>>>>>>>>>>> lead to huge misapprehensions about the world. Bacon thinks this >>>>>>>>>>>> misuse of >>>>>>>>>>>> words and language causes far more problems than we realize. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Theatre >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If you can think of someone you know who has recently bought >>>>>>>>>>>> into a whole new religion or philosophy or psychology, you can >>>>>>>>>>>> probably see >>>>>>>>>>>> how they have suddenly come to interpret everything in the >>>>>>>>>>>> universe >>>>>>>>>>>> according to their new world view. That world view has become the >>>>>>>>>>>> new lens >>>>>>>>>>>> through which they perceive and interpret everything in their >>>>>>>>>>>> world. What >>>>>>>>>>>> Bacon says, though, is that we all do this. We all interpret the >>>>>>>>>>>> world >>>>>>>>>>>> through the lens of our own little world view. It's just easier to >>>>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>>> other people doing it than it is to see ourselves doing it. Bacon >>>>>>>>>>>> thinks we >>>>>>>>>>>> should become aware of how these world views shape and distort our >>>>>>>>>>>> own >>>>>>>>>>>> perceptions of the world so that we might be able to correct for >>>>>>>>>>>> it a bit. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is old work. My questions are about how we recognise the >>>>>>>>>>>> 'second head' as a delusion yet move hardly at all on obvious >>>>>>>>>>>> political >>>>>>>>>>>> delusions like economics, votes counting, social care, public >>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance and >>>>>>>>>>>> the making invisible of many social issues. For me, deep >>>>>>>>>>>> questions on self >>>>>>>>>>>> are involved. The internet self is unlikely to be, as Tony says, >>>>>>>>>>>> the same >>>>>>>>>>>> as the 'real'one - but then we have know for much longer than the >>>>>>>>>>>> internet >>>>>>>>>>>> people don't say the same things in different contexts. In fact >>>>>>>>>>>> the man or >>>>>>>>>>>> woman in the bar often looks totally different the morning after, >>>>>>>>>>>> let alone >>>>>>>>>>>> what the politician says in a speech compared with when she is >>>>>>>>>>>> with her >>>>>>>>>>>> backroom boys in the spin room. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 10:17:04 PM UTC, archytas >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> At least with my knowledge of delusions I can imagine certain >>>>>>>>>>>>> people growing a second head overnight and shooting the wrong >>>>>>>>>>>>> spare. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 10:11:09 PM UTC, archytas >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That seems to run to form Gabby. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 10:06:43 PM UTC, Gabby wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Facil picked up your question and gave his answer, I agreed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and then came Allan barking at Facil and I told Allan to watch >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his tongue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or leave to his own thread. Only then did you enter the group >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> timeline to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start your big daddy has come home show. Now tell me what my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deceitful >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intent was ... Or better, tell me tomorrow, I'm off for today. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Dienstag, 10. Februar 2015 schrieb archytas : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only people I meet like that tend to be online students >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tony. We use Skype video conferencing for a few sessions, so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have actually >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seen each other. I'm quieter than people imagine, though none >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have yet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said 'uglier'. I'm very prone to catch whatever bugs go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around university >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> environments too, so rather like electronic distance. With >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colleagues, the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> situation is we know a lot more about each other than most in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> online >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> encounters. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My version has 'confusion' written through it. I say >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something, Gabby takes it another way, or knows what I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intended and chooses >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another slant for whatever reason. Online, I assume she has a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sense of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> humour and a good turn with words. Deception is not part of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first place. Just guesses with less risk than so called >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reality. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suppose the classic online deceiver is the groomer - where the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intent is to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up and image and then meet the victim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 7:54:18 PM UTC, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> facilitator wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 2:11:33 PM UTC-5, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> archytas wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The delusion that we are what we project is interesting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tony. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "We claim to be what we project". Your version allows for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reality mine allows for dishonesty. I think most people want >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to project a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> filtered image of themselves enough so that if we ever meet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we've only conversed with online we become slightly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> astonished how >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different they appear and act in "real life". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> topic in the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/minds-eye/2_ICOWzarWY/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsubscribe. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic >>>>>>>>>>>> in the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/minds-eye/2_ICOWzarWY/unsu >>>>>>>>>>>> bscribe. >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an >>>>>>>>>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in >>>>>>>>> the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ >>>>>>>>> topic/minds-eye/2_ICOWzarWY/unsubscribe. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email >>>>>>>>> to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in >>>>>>> the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/to >>>>>>> pic/minds-eye/2_ICOWzarWY/unsubscribe. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> ""Minds Eye"" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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