Agreed RP - origin just remains obscure and the notions we have of the universe may be wrong. Human beings are apparently a small part of any order, though one can imagine we may have some significance, possibly rather a lot. I may be Allan's pet hamster as Gabby suggests, or not. We may be a bigger part of the universe than we think - the biocentric view Molly posted a link to some while back. The 'dark' may be more significant than we think and our destiny not in light-speed dominated-limited space-time. One idea being pushed now is that reality is two-dimensional and we and space-time a hologram and certainly we have given up thinking of space as nothing. The whatever may still be god.
On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 10:31:06 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote: > > Big bang, or whatever came from something that is God. > > On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 3:43 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I'm not sure RP's position is logical, but it is consistent. >> >> Pol - we do just react to other people. One of the universities I taught >> at had 35% public school (posh UK type) and we called them the 'Yahs' >> because they were so full of themselves compared with State school kids. >> Taking time to work through the reaction phase is how we try to apply >> tolerance and rationality to personal relationships. Most don't do a right >> lot of this. Psychopaths and narcissists are very good at charming people >> at the reaction level. The Yahs were much easier to teach because they >> spoke up, but in the end did not do better than the others at university. >> They did agterwards. >> >> Big bang may not be creation, merely an incident - say when two existing >> universes collided. I'd say the future in which our galaxy collides with >> Andromeda in 2.5 billion years and the Sun goes red giant sometime later >> and 'eats' Earth is more likely knowledge than big bang. >> >> >> On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 9:25:35 AM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>> >>> It is not the source of creation i find difficulty with.. it is here. >>> >>> "We know that there is predetermination but why think that he has >>> predetermined, think that it all naturally happens and evolution is a >>> natural predetermined process. >>> >>> Your predetermination theory is where the problem lies.. >>> predetermination removes free will. And free will is what allows us to >>> chose how we respond to our environment. Without free will the soul might >>> as well be a boring old robot running its unending program with no choice >>> involved.. >>> >>> This is exactly the same point you joined the group with.. >>> >>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 8:58 AM >>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence >>> >>> Allan, in subjective matters proving your point is difficult if not >>> impossible, I cannot prove my logic about God or the Source of creation. If >>> people think that I am illogical, I can do nothing about it. I don't find >>> your views correct, yet they are your views and to you they are logical and >>> as such acceptable to me. >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 1:18 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> See RP we both agree that God existed before the creation of the >>>> universe.. beyond that your theology and logic becomes questionable.. >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 5:07 AM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence >>>> >>>> Neil, why think of God in the usual way, think of him as something >>>> before the big bang from which the universe emerged. Think of him as the >>>> mind which contained the unmanifest which became manifest as the universe. >>>> We know that there is predetermination but why think that he has >>>> predetermined, think that it all naturally happens and evolution is a >>>> natural predetermined process. Why should God be aware like us, as the >>>> source of all he need not be bound by the limits of consciousness and can >>>> very well be unconscious. Have faith in such a God and your destiny. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 9:19 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Postmodernism is supposedly a set of critical, strategic and >>>>> rhetorical practices employing concepts such as difference, repetition, >>>>> the >>>>> trace, the simulacrum, and hyperreality to destabilize other concepts >>>>> such >>>>> as* presence*, identity, historical progress, epistemic certainty, >>>>> and the univocity of meaning. >>>>> >>>>> Tony could be seen as replaying the liar's paradox here. To admit to >>>>> hypocrisy may be to admit the truth. For some postmodern writers, one >>>>> has >>>>> to go further than any set of analytic rules and recognise madness at >>>>> work >>>>> and restriction of dialogue to safe metaphors like Freud's Oedipal >>>>> family, >>>>> when the world of real desire is very different (quite a few writers were >>>>> gay). >>>>> >>>>> Skepticism, over many centuries, has taught a kind of suspension of >>>>> judgement to a point when one works with many different arguments. >>>>> Humour >>>>> can often be the only thing left after rigorous doubting, a kind of >>>>> self-depreciation in the face of conflicting evidence and themes. Those >>>>> of >>>>> us who 'know nothing' still know how to jibe "and even this is to know >>>>> more >>>>> than them, those who claim to know everything". This doubting process, >>>>> in >>>>> science, comes to at least a temporary end in crucial experiments that >>>>> anyone, in principle, can demonstrate. This is rarely the case in >>>>> ordinary >>>>> living. >>>>> >>>>> Descartes had it that we could undergo these difficult skeptical >>>>> processes with faith in a warm, benevolent god. It would be good to feel >>>>> such a presence, but I don't. He had the instruments of torture to >>>>> contend >>>>> with for that matter. There is a presence of thinking on god without >>>>> ancient fable, much as there are ways of thinking on economics without >>>>> the >>>>> dominating manners of neo-classical fantasy. The admission of perplexity >>>>> is something of a start, but has something of the vulnerability of >>>>> sensory >>>>> deprivation. >>>>> >>>>> I am interested in the still mystical point of argument resolution >>>>> after doubt that is not merely conviction, superiority.or promises so >>>>> vague >>>>> they are empty. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 9:12:31 PM UTC, facilitator wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course Allan! My narcissism is baptized in hypocrisy. >>>>>> >>>>>> I espouse to walk in the light and yet there are plenty of >>>>>> "Neighbors" I don't treat better than myself. I claim spiritual >>>>>> superiority and yet find myself in constant need of attitude adjustment. >>>>>> I >>>>>> want world peace but have done little to push that round peg into all of >>>>>> the square holes I have encountered. Maybe only 1 out of three times do >>>>>> I >>>>>> turn the other cheek. And, I am definitely superior to most of the >>>>>> people >>>>>> I meet in this life. 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