Thank you Baa Baa Black Sheep.  Indeed, there are those seeking to convert 
us all.  I would convert you all to my AI moral enhancement, but you are 
all too lazy to do the hard thinking, realise this would help maintain 
diversity, bring peace and free us of dominating narcissists.  The snag 
lies on Allan's poem.

Biological intelligence has a lot of snags it needs help with, notably 
leadership-followership relations.  We are probably still slaves to 
something.  I don't have a problem with RP's style, but pointing to the 
truth as you see it is always likely to be received as hostile.

On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 6:36:17 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>
> Herd mentality
> Guided by need to control
> Manipulating ideas
>
> Twisting needs
> Filling masses need
> Of belonging
>
> Right or wrong
> No longer matters
> Only followers  
>
> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: archytas <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Mon, 02 Mar 2015 7:14 PM
> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence
>
> Well said Tony - though it seems snowflakes are predictably diverse - 
> http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/snowflakes-all-fall-one-35-different-shapes-180953760/?no-ist
>
> Subjective grounding is a tough issue, especially as the herd is nearly 
> always wrong.
>
> On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 5:35:43 PM UTC, facilitator wrote:
>
> I don't know of any group in which people are open to changing their mind. 
> At least not collectively.  By calling out an impugning arrogance is that 
> not telling people what you think of them?  If I were to also state "People 
> in this group seldom change their mind " would I not be setting up a self 
> defeat and therefore it would vindicate my feelings towards them?
>
> I think ideas and ideologies are important even if only you as an 
> individual have them regardless of how they are perceived or expressed or 
> embraced.
> All of us are snowflakes, no two alike.  Even those who are blatantly 
> wrong form the banks and valleys to which our river can course through.
>
> ...

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