I know what you mean about this kind of material (video) pandering to the "spirituality" trend and not really hitting the mark. I think because most people have not experienced the mark, they fall for it and buy the book or DVD or seminar. I have to go with Allan on this in that it is all from god. I think if it comes into your experience there is something in it for you, not that you have to buy anything or follow the heard in any way. But I think there is a thread of truth that runs through everything in your experience that, if that thread shone through everything and presented itself to you above the rest, the dross would fall away. Because that dross is the parts of your experience steeped in duality, and the truth transcends but includes duality, when viewing the entire thread, you can see how the dross relates in the big scheme.
On Monday, March 16, 2015 at 4:50:49 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote: > > Cartwright, Nancy 1999 The Dappled World: A Study of the Boundaries of > Science. New York: Cambridge University Press. > > She made many good points on the dangers of unitary thinking. A review of > her ideas concluded: > > We need not think unity is the appropriate ideal needed in these cases of > practical > conflict. Instead, we might consider the appropriate ideal to be simply > reality itself, which is > sometimes connected in a systematic and causal way, and sometimes not. > Reality cannot > conflict or contradict (though our fallible knowledge of it can, of > course) but reality need not > be nice and neat and orderly either, ready for our deductive or systematic > demands. In > general, since there is no successful theory of everything and so we do > not know when to > look for unity and when to accept difference, we must weigh the varying > values to decide > whether to accept pluralism and recognize different explanations for > different kinds of > phenomena or whether to accept local unity that would require recognizing > that one > explanation gets it right and the other does not (or that both are > incomplete). When it comes > to science and religion, this requirement is not necessarily different in > kind from what we are > required to do with the various sciences. It turns out that a complete > unified theory is not > needed for our practical lives, even though resolving conflicts is, and, > of course, a completely > unified theory is not forthcoming > > She pointed to a lot of religious claptrap based on over-simplistic > unitary 'reasoning', that also reverse into science. I would, of course, > go more AI than your friend Allan. > > On Monday, March 16, 2015 at 8:11:29 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> Religion yes there is a problem.. >> Mainly because they have taken mysticism to hell in a hand basket. And >> mysticism has taken the same route. >> You in a way are in ways better off dumping a lot of ideas. If we change >> the perspective a little to looking at the Total Presence as a repository >> of all scientific knowledge and you take the time to sit quietly to access >> this reservoir.. that is what our brilliant friend did.. quite simple to >> do all essentially is realize this reservoir exists and you access it via >> sitting quietly listening to the presence. >> >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: archytas <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 8:40 PM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics >> >> The movie has the science wrong Allan, but we could make one with the >> real science making the same points in an accurate manner. Some scientists >> believe we could progress further in science if we stripped it of even more >> religion too. The mystic side often claims that their techniques are >> simple and everyone can share them. I don't think this is true and its >> complicated by emotions be so gullible - yet I want something rather like >> this and education as we have it fails. And religious institutions as >> control frauds are in the way. We need some dialogue that isn't between >> 'Dawkins' and fundamentalists. >> >> On Monday, March 16, 2015 at 5:50:53 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>> >>> Excellent video and web page. There is recall visiting a small museum >>> hidden under a cover you could lift a cover and read from one of >>> Eisenstein's journal.. what an exciting moment seeing the actual work in >>> his own hand.. ( if we meet here for a visit Neil we will have to go and >>> view this treasure) >>> >>> I agree with out the presence science to me has no value. In the movie >>> they talk about crossing the time space barrier you cross to make the >>> connection with the presence and the reservoir of total knowledge contained >>> within. >>> >>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 5:36 PM >>> Subject: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics >>> >>> The most beautiful and profound emotion we can experience is the >>> sensation of the mystical. It is the sower of all true science. He to whom >>> this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, >>> is good as dead. >>> When I examine myself and my methods of thought, I come to the >>> conclusion that the gift of fantasy has meant more to me than my talent for >>> absorbing positive knowledge >>> >>> Einstein. >>> >>> This guy has kindly put together 800 Einstein quotes - >>> http://www.gurteen.com/gurteen/gurteen.nsf/id/X0001134E/ >>> >>> >>> My potted version of Einstein working on Relativity and the quantum is >>> not so mystical. The rock and hard place of his time were Maxwell's great >>> equations of forces we can't see (mystical sort of) and contradictory >>> empirical evidence from experiment (Hopf was the great experimenter), >>> Newton and Galileo had also 'noticed relativity'. Einstein read a lot and >>> so knew of the rock and hard place. Even a few school teachers (Abbott) >>> had noticed the 'relativity of dimensions'. Einstein had really worked >>> hard on maths most people still don't do and almost certainly cannot. >>> Poincarre and Lorentz had already produced 'mathematical transformations' >>> that were the solution seed, Instead of hammering away trying to prove >>> Maxwell or the experimenters right, Einstein searched for an underlying >>> kinematics to reconcile both. We might now call this a Wittgensteinian >>> deconstruction, finding what is common deep in apparently conflicting >>> arguments. >>> >>> Everyone in this group, except Gabby (no not really, I'm emphasizing >>> here her important notion of the role of the dunce in the corner, the speed >>> of inertial violence) will admit they are short on positive knowledge, too >>> idle or unskilled to do what Einstein did. Of course, we don't have >>> relativity or quantum physics because of Einstein. There were many others >>> and it is even possible we might have moved further through modified >>> Newtonianism. >>> >>> The following short video is a science-religion meet kinda thingy. I >>> regard it as utter, exploitative crap, that works on ignorance, half-baked >>> ideas and marketing to them. >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BiTWFdnd7Q >>> >>> >>> To rework current very silly arguments in which 'bright' people like >>> Dawkins take on idiot creationists, we need to go down deeper, yet at the >>> same time not insist participants have 'huge qualifications' in positive >>> knowledge that attempt to make silk purses out of our sows' ears. This is >>> a tough one. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> ""Minds Eye"" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
