In a lifetime of studying the art and science of human development, I have found no more powerful, practical, and evolutionary practice than the mystic path. When I have studied or talked with seekers who have had this variety of the spiritual experience, they have told me of a joy that passes understanding, an immense surge of creativity, an instant uprush of kindness and tolerance that makes them impassioned champions for the betterment of all, bridge-builders, magnets for solutions, peacemakers, pathfinders. Best of all, other people feel enriched and nourished around them.
This is regularly said, so regularly my 'bag of words machine' would spring this up as a probably frame. It sounds positive and the machine would find it in much history. It would find other material, such as creative peope often being depressed, bipolar and so on. Mysticism, and spirituality in general, seems to rise during times of intense change and stress. Add the sufficiency of current shadows and the breakdown of all certainties, and we have the ingredients for the current universal pursuit of spiritual realities. We live in a time in which more and more history is happening faster and faster than we can make sense of. The habits of millennia seem to vanish in a few months and the convictions of centuries are crashing down like the twin towers of the World Trade Center in New York. And yet, the deconstruction of traditional ways of being may invite the underlying Spirit, of which we are a part, to break through. Old ways crash down, do they? Many have written of the mystic path and tracked its myriad adventures and planes of development. Evelyn Underhill, writing early in the twentieth century, to be one of the finest guides to the experience. In her great work Mysticism, she presents the mystic path as a series of eight organic stages: awakening, purification, illumination, voices and visions, contemplation and introversion, ecstasy and rapture, the dark night of the soul, and union with the One Reality. Maslow's work or that of Ercisson was presented in more scientific lingo. No doubt we are all asleep in here, unable to describe these stages? Many of us have become spiritual but not religious - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/philip-goldberg/spiritual-but-not-religious-misunderstood-and-here-to-stay_b_2617306.html To some of us, and certainly the bag of words, find this mysticism all-too-familiar kin such as Tom Peters and management development. Talking things up and establishing hero identities is easy enough - look up the Socrates revealed to us by Plato. Much salespeak is also oriented to the 'positive'. So what are the actual experiences? So far we have the voice in Tony's seven year old head - not that mine hasn't been similar yet quiet except for identifiable me, and later somethings Freud brought up. I always wonder how we can remain humble in respect of others who don't know, haven't experienced and can't do. Even when knowledge teaches me humbleness, I find others who can only project the knowing as 'superiority'. Hardly surprising with out education ranking system I suppose. On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 2:50:26 PM UTC, archytas wrote: > > It would suggest our souls meet in the cold Allan. > > On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 1:49:14 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> I know yet T=OK is a good name >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: archytas <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 2:34 PM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics >> >> The only sense in it Allan - though it isn't nonsense. >> >> On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 6:13:42 AM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>> >>> Good personally I like T=Ok >>> >>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 12:36 AM >>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics >>> >>> Just to add some dross Molly, I might say: >>> >>> 1) God is simple: T=0K >>> >>> 2) Soul is simple: Quantum of Light >>> >>> ( c/d=pi, R/N=k, E/M=c^2, h=0, c=0, i^2=-1, h=E/t, h=kb, >>> >>> h=1, c=1. h*=h/2pi, c>1, E=h*f , e^2=ach* , e^i(pi)= -1) >>> >>> 3) Everything else (material) is complex. >>> >>> >>> This translates to creation from the vacuum assuming an absolute of zero >>> temperature. There is an Absolute, Infinite, Eternal Reference Frame >>> and it is Vacuum in the condition of Absolute Zero: T=0K,that takes >>> the functions of God and create everything in the Universe. This >>> vacuum is a spirit world.To create Material World and everything in It, >>> God uses Spiritual Particles. The modern name of these Spiritual >>> Particles is Quantum of Light. This is the most phenomenal particle in >>> the World. Through the behavior of Quantum of Light we can >>> understand that an Absolute God has the Highest form of Consciousness. >>> >>> Possible, but gets us nowhere and despite discrete quantum blobs we have >>> no picture of any. This is quite Hindu in origin. I expect Allan will >>> dismiss my equation of soul! >>> >>> I really do understand the wish to sweep such away with a sweep of >>> Gandalf. The papers I've read demand too much intellect. >>> >>> On Monday, March 16, 2015 at 10:41:08 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >>>> >>>> True and circularly inconsistent at the same time. >>>> >>>> On Monday, March 16, 2015 at 10:35:46 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Does not matter how you view reality you are and always be part of it >>>>> .. there then the real question is do you want to be connected or >>>>> disconnected to this reality.. totally your choice. >>>>> And that has nothing to do how I view anything .. >>>>> >>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Sent: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 11:09 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics >>>>> >>>>> We can wire up religious brains (you might have to hold Molly down >>>>> while I inject the radioactive stuff!) - seriously done with Tibetan >>>>> monks, >>>>> nuns and people speaking in tongues. Interesting snippets include >>>>> similar >>>>> changes in frontal and parietal lobes across religions and marked >>>>> decreases >>>>> in language centre activity in those speaking in tongues. Essentially, >>>>> religious experience decreases our normal sensing of the outside world - >>>>> most of us seem hard-wired into this. >>>>> >>>>> I don't do your soul thing, having the issue that reality is the only >>>>> place to get a decent meal. Your system was once described by Paul >>>>> Feyerabend in 'Against Method' as 'dream-worlds', a fairly anarchist >>>>> view. >>>>> There is something non-evaluatory about this I like, but I can't see it >>>>> leading anywhere. >>>>> >>>>> Pragmatism is not theism in the traditional sense and turns more to >>>>> being the the 'game' with god. It's not that long since we had little >>>>> clue >>>>> on the electro-magnetic spectrum even though we could see part of it. >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, March 16, 2015 at 9:17:47 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I managed to down load the paper on my phone .. my tablet did not >>>>>> like it. >>>>>> Managed to read part of it i have heard the same arguments earlier .. >>>>>> very small print.. as the format is not designed for mobile.. reality is >>>>>> our world is going mobile and there is a need to evolve with it. >>>>>> >>>>>> The idea is not to connect religion to science or visa versa .. what >>>>>> Einstein realized is science is the study of God.. nothing more. As >>>>>> strange as this is going to sound Neil even you are part of God's being >>>>>> not >>>>>> all of it but an independent part. Capable of accessing the totality of >>>>>> the presence as "U" understand him, not as others want you to >>>>>> understand >>>>>> him.. reality is with every soul has a one to one relationship with the >>>>>> Presence . Most souls say they do not want that relationship and no >>>>>> thank >>>>>> you is an acceptable valid answer. >>>>>> >>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Sent: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 9:12 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics >>>>>> >>>>>> There is a paper with some of the difficult science in it - >>>>>> http://dspace.creighton.edu:8080/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10504/65506/2015-9.pdf?sequence=1 >>>>>> >>>>>> and points out that one of the founders of the standard model was a >>>>>> Catholic priest. I think the main questions concern how we might make >>>>>> it >>>>>> all simple enough to be widely understandable without the cheating in >>>>>> the >>>>>> video. The most obvious core is truth seeking. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, March 16, 2015 at 7:40:18 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The movie has the science wrong Allan, but we could make one with >>>>>>> the real science making the same points in an accurate manner. Some >>>>>>> scientists believe we could progress further in science if we stripped >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> of even more religion too. The mystic side often claims that their >>>>>>> techniques are simple and everyone can share them. I don't think this >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> true and its complicated by emotions be so gullible - yet I want >>>>>>> something >>>>>>> rather like this and education as we have it fails. And religious >>>>>>> institutions as control frauds are in the way. We need some dialogue >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> isn't between 'Dawkins' and fundamentalists. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Monday, March 16, 2015 at 5:50:53 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Excellent video and web page. There is recall visiting a small >>>>>>>> museum hidden under a cover you could lift a cover and read from one >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> Eisenstein's journal.. what an exciting moment seeing the actual work >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> his own hand.. ( if we meet here for a visit Neil we will have to go >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> view this treasure) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I agree with out the presence science to me has no value. In the >>>>>>>> movie they talk about crossing the time space barrier you cross to >>>>>>>> make the >>>>>>>> connection with the presence and the reservoir of total knowledge >>>>>>>> contained >>>>>>>> within. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 5:36 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The most beautiful and profound emotion we can experience is the >>>>>>>> sensation of the mystical. It is the sower of all true science. He to >>>>>>>> whom >>>>>>>> this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in >>>>>>>> awe, >>>>>>>> is good as dead. >>>>>>>> When I examine myself and my methods of thought, I come to the >>>>>>>> conclusion that the gift of fantasy has meant more to me than my >>>>>>>> talent for >>>>>>>> absorbing positive knowledge >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Einstein. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This guy has kindly put together 800 Einstein quotes - >>>>>>>> http://www.gurteen.com/gurteen/gurteen.nsf/id/X0001134E/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My potted version of Einstein working on Relativity and the quantum >>>>>>>> is not so mystical. The rock and hard place of his time were >>>>>>>> Maxwell's >>>>>>>> great equations of forces we can't see (mystical sort of) and >>>>>>>> contradictory >>>>>>>> empirical evidence from experiment (Hopf was the great experimenter), >>>>>>>> Newton and Galileo had also 'noticed relativity'. Einstein read a >>>>>>>> lot and >>>>>>>> so knew of the rock and hard place. Even a few school teachers >>>>>>>> (Abbott) >>>>>>>> had noticed the 'relativity of dimensions'. Einstein had really >>>>>>>> worked >>>>>>>> hard on maths most people still don't do and almost certainly cannot. >>>>>>>> Poincarre and Lorentz had already produced 'mathematical >>>>>>>> transformations' >>>>>>>> that were the solution seed, Instead of hammering away trying to >>>>>>>> prove >>>>>>>> Maxwell or the experimenters right, Einstein searched for an >>>>>>>> underlying >>>>>>>> kinematics to reconcile both. We might now call this a >>>>>>>> Wittgensteinian >>>>>>>> deconstruction, finding what is common deep in apparently conflicting >>>>>>>> arguments. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Everyone in this group, except Gabby (no not really, I'm >>>>>>>> emphasizing here her important notion of the role of the dunce in the >>>>>>>> corner, the speed of inertial violence) will admit they are short on >>>>>>>> positive knowledge, too idle or unskilled to do what Einstein did. Of >>>>>>>> course, we don't have relativity or quantum physics because of >>>>>>>> Einstein. >>>>>>>> There were many others and it is even possible we might have moved >>>>>>>> further >>>>>>>> through modified Newtonianism. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The following short video is a science-religion meet kinda thingy. >>>>>>>> I regard it as utter, exploitative crap, that works on ignorance, >>>>>>>> half-baked ideas and marketing to them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BiTWFdnd7Q >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To rework current very silly arguments in which 'bright' people >>>>>>>> like Dawkins take on idiot creationists, we need to go down deeper, >>>>>>>> yet at >>>>>>>> the same time not insist participants have 'huge qualifications' in >>>>>>>> positive knowledge that attempt to make silk purses out of our sows' >>>>>>>> ears. >>>>>>>> This is a tough one. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> -- >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> ""Minds Eye"" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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