Was thinking last night. What you need is not God as I understand him but God as you as you understand him not as i understand him
تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others -----Original Message----- From: archytas <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 11:09 PM Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics We can wire up religious brains (you might have to hold Molly down while I inject the radioactive stuff!) - seriously done with Tibetan monks, nuns and people speaking in tongues. Interesting snippets include similar changes in frontal and parietal lobes across religions and marked decreases in language centre activity in those speaking in tongues. Essentially, religious experience decreases our normal sensing of the outside world - most of us seem hard-wired into this. I don't do your soul thing, having the issue that reality is the only place to get a decent meal. Your system was once described by Paul Feyerabend in 'Against Method' as 'dream-worlds', a fairly anarchist view. There is something non-evaluatory about this I like, but I can't see it leading anywhere. Pragmatism is not theism in the traditional sense and turns more to being the the 'game' with god. It's not that long since we had little clue on the electro-magnetic spectrum even though we could see part of it. On Monday, March 16, 2015 at 9:17:47 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: > > I managed to down load the paper on my phone .. my tablet did not like it. > Managed to read part of it i have heard the same arguments earlier .. very > small print.. as the format is not designed for mobile.. reality is our > world is going mobile and there is a need to evolve with it. > > The idea is not to connect religion to science or visa versa .. what > Einstein realized is science is the study of God.. nothing more. As > strange as this is going to sound Neil even you are part of God's being not > all of it but an independent part. Capable of accessing the totality of > the presence as "U" understand him, not as others want you to understand > him.. reality is with every soul has a one to one relationship with the > Presence . Most souls say they do not want that relationship and no thank > you is an acceptable valid answer. > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: archytas <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 9:12 PM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics > > There is a paper with some of the difficult science in it - > http://dspace.creighton.edu:8080/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10504/65506/2015-9.pdf?sequence=1 > > and points out that one of the founders of the standard model was a > Catholic priest. I think the main questions concern how we might make it > all simple enough to be widely understandable without the cheating in the > video. The most obvious core is truth seeking. > > On Monday, March 16, 2015 at 7:40:18 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >> >> The movie has the science wrong Allan, but we could make one with the >> real science making the same points in an accurate manner. Some scientists >> believe we could progress further in science if we stripped it of even more >> religion too. The mystic side often claims that their techniques are >> simple and everyone can share them. I don't think this is true and its >> complicated by emotions be so gullible - yet I want something rather like >> this and education as we have it fails. And religious institutions as >> control frauds are in the way. We need some dialogue that isn't between >> 'Dawkins' and fundamentalists. >> >> On Monday, March 16, 2015 at 5:50:53 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>> >>> Excellent video and web page. There is recall visiting a small museum >>> hidden under a cover you could lift a cover and read from one of >>> Eisenstein's journal.. what an exciting moment seeing the actual work in >>> his own hand.. ( if we meet here for a visit Neil we will have to go and >>> view this treasure) >>> >>> I agree with out the presence science to me has no value. In the movie >>> they talk about crossing the time space barrier you cross to make the >>> connection with the presence and the reservoir of total knowledge contained >>> within. >>> >>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 5:36 PM >>> Subject: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics >>> >>> The most beautiful and profound emotion we can experience is the >>> sensation of the mystical. It is the sower of all true science. He to whom >>> this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, >>> is good as dead. >>> When I examine myself and my methods of thought, I come to the >>> conclusion that the gift of fantasy has meant more to me than my talent for >>> absorbing positive knowledge >>> >>> Einstein. >>> >>> This guy has kindly put together 800 Einstein quotes - >>> http://www.gurteen.com/gurteen/gurteen.nsf/id/X0001134E/ >>> >>> >>> My potted version of Einstein working on Relativity and the quantum is >>> not so mystical. The rock and hard place of his time were Maxwell's great >>> equations of forces we can't see (mystical sort of) and contradictory >>> empirical evidence from experiment (Hopf was the great experimenter), >>> Newton and Galileo had also 'noticed relativity'. Einstein read a lot and >>> so knew of the rock and hard place. Even a few school teachers (Abbott) >>> had noticed the 'relativity of dimensions'. Einstein had really worked >>> hard on maths most people still don't do and almost certainly cannot. >>> Poincarre and Lorentz had already produced 'mathematical transformations' >>> that were the solution seed, Instead of hammering away trying to prove >>> Maxwell or the experimenters right, Einstein searched for an underlying >>> kinematics to reconcile both. We might now call this a Wittgensteinian >>> deconstruction, finding what is common deep in apparently conflicting >>> arguments. >>> >>> Everyone in this group, except Gabby (no not really, I'm emphasizing >>> here her important notion of the role of the dunce in the corner, the speed >>> of inertial violence) will admit they are short on positive knowledge, too >>> idle or unskilled to do what Einstein did. Of course, we don't have >>> relativity or quantum physics because of Einstein. There were many others >>> and it is even possible we might have moved further through modified >>> Newtonianism. >>> >>> The following short video is a science-religion meet kinda thingy. I >>> regard it as utter, exploitative crap, that works on ignorance, half-baked >>> ideas and marketing to them. >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BiTWFdnd7Q >>> >>> >>> To rework current very silly arguments in which 'bright' people like >>> Dawkins take on idiot creationists, we need to go down deeper, yet at the >>> same time not insist participants have 'huge qualifications' in positive >>> knowledge that attempt to make silk purses out of our sows' ears. 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