I know yet T=OK is a good name تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
-----Original Message----- From: archytas <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 2:34 PM Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics The only sense in it Allan - though it isn't nonsense. On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 6:13:42 AM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: > > Good personally I like T=Ok > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: archytas <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 12:36 AM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics > > Just to add some dross Molly, I might say: > > 1) God is simple: T=0K > > 2) Soul is simple: Quantum of Light > > ( c/d=pi, R/N=k, E/M=c^2, h=0, c=0, i^2=-1, h=E/t, h=kb, > > h=1, c=1. h*=h/2pi, c>1, E=h*f , e^2=ach* , e^i(pi)= -1) > > 3) Everything else (material) is complex. > > > This translates to creation from the vacuum assuming an absolute of zero > temperature. There is an Absolute, Infinite, Eternal Reference Frame and > it is Vacuum in the condition of Absolute Zero: T=0K,that takes the > functions of God and create everything in the Universe. This vacuum is > a spirit world.To create Material World and everything in It, God uses > Spiritual Particles. The modern name of these Spiritual Particles is > Quantum of Light. This is the most phenomenal particle in the World. > Through the behavior of Quantum of Light we can understand that an > Absolute God has the Highest form of Consciousness. > > Possible, but gets us nowhere and despite discrete quantum blobs we have > no picture of any. This is quite Hindu in origin. I expect Allan will > dismiss my equation of soul! > > I really do understand the wish to sweep such away with a sweep of > Gandalf. The papers I've read demand too much intellect. > > On Monday, March 16, 2015 at 10:41:08 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >> >> True and circularly inconsistent at the same time. >> >> On Monday, March 16, 2015 at 10:35:46 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>> >>> Does not matter how you view reality you are and always be part of it >>> .. there then the real question is do you want to be connected or >>> disconnected to this reality.. totally your choice. >>> And that has nothing to do how I view anything .. >>> >>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 11:09 PM >>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics >>> >>> We can wire up religious brains (you might have to hold Molly down while >>> I inject the radioactive stuff!) - seriously done with Tibetan monks, nuns >>> and people speaking in tongues. Interesting snippets include similar >>> changes in frontal and parietal lobes across religions and marked decreases >>> in language centre activity in those speaking in tongues. Essentially, >>> religious experience decreases our normal sensing of the outside world - >>> most of us seem hard-wired into this. >>> >>> I don't do your soul thing, having the issue that reality is the only >>> place to get a decent meal. Your system was once described by Paul >>> Feyerabend in 'Against Method' as 'dream-worlds', a fairly anarchist view. >>> There is something non-evaluatory about this I like, but I can't see it >>> leading anywhere. >>> >>> Pragmatism is not theism in the traditional sense and turns more to >>> being the the 'game' with god. It's not that long since we had little clue >>> on the electro-magnetic spectrum even though we could see part of it. >>> >>> On Monday, March 16, 2015 at 9:17:47 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>> >>>> I managed to down load the paper on my phone .. my tablet did not like >>>> it. >>>> Managed to read part of it i have heard the same arguments earlier .. >>>> very small print.. as the format is not designed for mobile.. reality is >>>> our world is going mobile and there is a need to evolve with it. >>>> >>>> The idea is not to connect religion to science or visa versa .. what >>>> Einstein realized is science is the study of God.. nothing more. As >>>> strange as this is going to sound Neil even you are part of God's being >>>> not >>>> all of it but an independent part. Capable of accessing the totality of >>>> the presence as "U" understand him, not as others want you to understand >>>> him.. reality is with every soul has a one to one relationship with the >>>> Presence . Most souls say they do not want that relationship and no >>>> thank >>>> you is an acceptable valid answer. >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 9:12 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics >>>> >>>> There is a paper with some of the difficult science in it - >>>> http://dspace.creighton.edu:8080/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10504/65506/2015-9.pdf?sequence=1 >>>> >>>> and points out that one of the founders of the standard model was a >>>> Catholic priest. I think the main questions concern how we might make it >>>> all simple enough to be widely understandable without the cheating in the >>>> video. The most obvious core is truth seeking. >>>> >>>> On Monday, March 16, 2015 at 7:40:18 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The movie has the science wrong Allan, but we could make one with the >>>>> real science making the same points in an accurate manner. Some >>>>> scientists >>>>> believe we could progress further in science if we stripped it of even >>>>> more >>>>> religion too. The mystic side often claims that their techniques are >>>>> simple and everyone can share them. I don't think this is true and its >>>>> complicated by emotions be so gullible - yet I want something rather like >>>>> this and education as we have it fails. And religious institutions as >>>>> control frauds are in the way. We need some dialogue that isn't between >>>>> 'Dawkins' and fundamentalists. >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, March 16, 2015 at 5:50:53 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Excellent video and web page. There is recall visiting a small >>>>>> museum hidden under a cover you could lift a cover and read from one of >>>>>> Eisenstein's journal.. what an exciting moment seeing the actual work >>>>>> in >>>>>> his own hand.. ( if we meet here for a visit Neil we will have to go >>>>>> and >>>>>> view this treasure) >>>>>> >>>>>> I agree with out the presence science to me has no value. In the >>>>>> movie they talk about crossing the time space barrier you cross to make >>>>>> the >>>>>> connection with the presence and the reservoir of total knowledge >>>>>> contained >>>>>> within. >>>>>> >>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Sent: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 5:36 PM >>>>>> Subject: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics >>>>>> >>>>>> The most beautiful and profound emotion we can experience is the >>>>>> sensation of the mystical. It is the sower of all true science. He to >>>>>> whom >>>>>> this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in >>>>>> awe, >>>>>> is good as dead. >>>>>> When I examine myself and my methods of thought, I come to the >>>>>> conclusion that the gift of fantasy has meant more to me than my talent >>>>>> for >>>>>> absorbing positive knowledge >>>>>> >>>>>> Einstein. >>>>>> >>>>>> This guy has kindly put together 800 Einstein quotes - >>>>>> http://www.gurteen.com/gurteen/gurteen.nsf/id/X0001134E/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> My potted version of Einstein working on Relativity and the quantum >>>>>> is not so mystical. The rock and hard place of his time were Maxwell's >>>>>> great equations of forces we can't see (mystical sort of) and >>>>>> contradictory >>>>>> empirical evidence from experiment (Hopf was the great experimenter), >>>>>> Newton and Galileo had also 'noticed relativity'. Einstein read a lot >>>>>> and >>>>>> so knew of the rock and hard place. Even a few school teachers (Abbott) >>>>>> had noticed the 'relativity of dimensions'. Einstein had really worked >>>>>> hard on maths most people still don't do and almost certainly cannot. >>>>>> Poincarre and Lorentz had already produced 'mathematical >>>>>> transformations' >>>>>> that were the solution seed, Instead of hammering away trying to prove >>>>>> Maxwell or the experimenters right, Einstein searched for an underlying >>>>>> kinematics to reconcile both. We might now call this a Wittgensteinian >>>>>> deconstruction, finding what is common deep in apparently conflicting >>>>>> arguments. >>>>>> >>>>>> Everyone in this group, except Gabby (no not really, I'm emphasizing >>>>>> here her important notion of the role of the dunce in the corner, the >>>>>> speed >>>>>> of inertial violence) will admit they are short on positive knowledge, >>>>>> too >>>>>> idle or unskilled to do what Einstein did. Of course, we don't have >>>>>> relativity or quantum physics because of Einstein. There were many >>>>>> others >>>>>> and it is even possible we might have moved further through modified >>>>>> Newtonianism. >>>>>> >>>>>> The following short video is a science-religion meet kinda thingy. I >>>>>> regard it as utter, exploitative crap, that works on ignorance, >>>>>> half-baked >>>>>> ideas and marketing to them. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BiTWFdnd7Q >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To rework current very silly arguments in which 'bright' people like >>>>>> Dawkins take on idiot creationists, we need to go down deeper, yet at >>>>>> the >>>>>> same time not insist participants have 'huge qualifications' in positive >>>>>> knowledge that attempt to make silk purses out of our sows' ears. This >>>>>> is >>>>>> a tough one. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> -- >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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