It would suggest our souls meet in the cold Allan. On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 1:49:14 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: > > I know yet T=OK is a good name > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: archytas <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 2:34 PM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics > > The only sense in it Allan - though it isn't nonsense. > > On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 6:13:42 AM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> Good personally I like T=Ok >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: archytas <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 12:36 AM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics >> >> Just to add some dross Molly, I might say: >> >> 1) God is simple: T=0K >> >> 2) Soul is simple: Quantum of Light >> >> ( c/d=pi, R/N=k, E/M=c^2, h=0, c=0, i^2=-1, h=E/t, h=kb, >> >> h=1, c=1. h*=h/2pi, c>1, E=h*f , e^2=ach* , e^i(pi)= -1) >> >> 3) Everything else (material) is complex. >> >> >> This translates to creation from the vacuum assuming an absolute of zero >> temperature. There is an Absolute, Infinite, Eternal Reference Frame >> and it is Vacuum in the condition of Absolute Zero: T=0K,that takes >> the functions of God and create everything in the Universe. This >> vacuum is a spirit world.To create Material World and everything in It, >> God uses Spiritual Particles. The modern name of these Spiritual >> Particles is Quantum of Light. This is the most phenomenal particle in >> the World. Through the behavior of Quantum of Light we can >> understand that an Absolute God has the Highest form of Consciousness. >> >> Possible, but gets us nowhere and despite discrete quantum blobs we have >> no picture of any. This is quite Hindu in origin. I expect Allan will >> dismiss my equation of soul! >> >> I really do understand the wish to sweep such away with a sweep of >> Gandalf. The papers I've read demand too much intellect. >> >> On Monday, March 16, 2015 at 10:41:08 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >>> >>> True and circularly inconsistent at the same time. >>> >>> On Monday, March 16, 2015 at 10:35:46 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>> >>>> Does not matter how you view reality you are and always be part of it >>>> .. there then the real question is do you want to be connected or >>>> disconnected to this reality.. totally your choice. >>>> And that has nothing to do how I view anything .. >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 11:09 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics >>>> >>>> We can wire up religious brains (you might have to hold Molly down >>>> while I inject the radioactive stuff!) - seriously done with Tibetan >>>> monks, >>>> nuns and people speaking in tongues. Interesting snippets include similar >>>> changes in frontal and parietal lobes across religions and marked >>>> decreases >>>> in language centre activity in those speaking in tongues. Essentially, >>>> religious experience decreases our normal sensing of the outside world - >>>> most of us seem hard-wired into this. >>>> >>>> I don't do your soul thing, having the issue that reality is the only >>>> place to get a decent meal. Your system was once described by Paul >>>> Feyerabend in 'Against Method' as 'dream-worlds', a fairly anarchist view. >>>> There is something non-evaluatory about this I like, but I can't see it >>>> leading anywhere. >>>> >>>> Pragmatism is not theism in the traditional sense and turns more to >>>> being the the 'game' with god. It's not that long since we had little >>>> clue >>>> on the electro-magnetic spectrum even though we could see part of it. >>>> >>>> On Monday, March 16, 2015 at 9:17:47 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I managed to down load the paper on my phone .. my tablet did not like >>>>> it. >>>>> Managed to read part of it i have heard the same arguments earlier .. >>>>> very small print.. as the format is not designed for mobile.. reality is >>>>> our world is going mobile and there is a need to evolve with it. >>>>> >>>>> The idea is not to connect religion to science or visa versa .. what >>>>> Einstein realized is science is the study of God.. nothing more. As >>>>> strange as this is going to sound Neil even you are part of God's being >>>>> not >>>>> all of it but an independent part. Capable of accessing the totality of >>>>> the presence as "U" understand him, not as others want you to understand >>>>> him.. reality is with every soul has a one to one relationship with the >>>>> Presence . Most souls say they do not want that relationship and no >>>>> thank >>>>> you is an acceptable valid answer. >>>>> >>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Sent: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 9:12 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics >>>>> >>>>> There is a paper with some of the difficult science in it - >>>>> http://dspace.creighton.edu:8080/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10504/65506/2015-9.pdf?sequence=1 >>>>> >>>>> and points out that one of the founders of the standard model was a >>>>> Catholic priest. I think the main questions concern how we might make it >>>>> all simple enough to be widely understandable without the cheating in the >>>>> video. The most obvious core is truth seeking. >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, March 16, 2015 at 7:40:18 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> The movie has the science wrong Allan, but we could make one with the >>>>>> real science making the same points in an accurate manner. Some >>>>>> scientists >>>>>> believe we could progress further in science if we stripped it of even >>>>>> more >>>>>> religion too. The mystic side often claims that their techniques are >>>>>> simple and everyone can share them. I don't think this is true and its >>>>>> complicated by emotions be so gullible - yet I want something rather >>>>>> like >>>>>> this and education as we have it fails. And religious institutions as >>>>>> control frauds are in the way. We need some dialogue that isn't between >>>>>> 'Dawkins' and fundamentalists. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, March 16, 2015 at 5:50:53 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Excellent video and web page. There is recall visiting a small >>>>>>> museum hidden under a cover you could lift a cover and read from one of >>>>>>> Eisenstein's journal.. what an exciting moment seeing the actual work >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> his own hand.. ( if we meet here for a visit Neil we will have to go >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> view this treasure) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I agree with out the presence science to me has no value. In the >>>>>>> movie they talk about crossing the time space barrier you cross to make >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> connection with the presence and the reservoir of total knowledge >>>>>>> contained >>>>>>> within. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Sent: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 5:36 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The most beautiful and profound emotion we can experience is the >>>>>>> sensation of the mystical. It is the sower of all true science. He to >>>>>>> whom >>>>>>> this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in >>>>>>> awe, >>>>>>> is good as dead. >>>>>>> When I examine myself and my methods of thought, I come to the >>>>>>> conclusion that the gift of fantasy has meant more to me than my talent >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> absorbing positive knowledge >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Einstein. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This guy has kindly put together 800 Einstein quotes - >>>>>>> http://www.gurteen.com/gurteen/gurteen.nsf/id/X0001134E/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My potted version of Einstein working on Relativity and the quantum >>>>>>> is not so mystical. The rock and hard place of his time were Maxwell's >>>>>>> great equations of forces we can't see (mystical sort of) and >>>>>>> contradictory >>>>>>> empirical evidence from experiment (Hopf was the great experimenter), >>>>>>> Newton and Galileo had also 'noticed relativity'. Einstein read a lot >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> so knew of the rock and hard place. Even a few school teachers >>>>>>> (Abbott) >>>>>>> had noticed the 'relativity of dimensions'. Einstein had really worked >>>>>>> hard on maths most people still don't do and almost certainly cannot. >>>>>>> Poincarre and Lorentz had already produced 'mathematical >>>>>>> transformations' >>>>>>> that were the solution seed, Instead of hammering away trying to prove >>>>>>> Maxwell or the experimenters right, Einstein searched for an underlying >>>>>>> kinematics to reconcile both. We might now call this a Wittgensteinian >>>>>>> deconstruction, finding what is common deep in apparently conflicting >>>>>>> arguments. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Everyone in this group, except Gabby (no not really, I'm emphasizing >>>>>>> here her important notion of the role of the dunce in the corner, the >>>>>>> speed >>>>>>> of inertial violence) will admit they are short on positive knowledge, >>>>>>> too >>>>>>> idle or unskilled to do what Einstein did. Of course, we don't have >>>>>>> relativity or quantum physics because of Einstein. There were many >>>>>>> others >>>>>>> and it is even possible we might have moved further through modified >>>>>>> Newtonianism. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The following short video is a science-religion meet kinda thingy. >>>>>>> I regard it as utter, exploitative crap, that works on ignorance, >>>>>>> half-baked ideas and marketing to them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BiTWFdnd7Q >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To rework current very silly arguments in which 'bright' people like >>>>>>> Dawkins take on idiot creationists, we need to go down deeper, yet at >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> same time not insist participants have 'huge qualifications' in >>>>>>> positive >>>>>>> knowledge that attempt to make silk purses out of our sows' ears. This >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> a tough one. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> -- >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> ""Minds Eye"" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >
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