Are you sure you have which side of the road is correct? After all the modern automotive age was developed in the US. Not England it would seem the British Empire is out of step with the rest of the world..
تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others -----Original Message----- From: archytas <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 2:35 PM Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics The genetic predispositions tend to have some kind of use. Some of these are very crude, like sickle cell disease as a counter to malaria, or diabetes in response to famine. Some are permanently disposed to delusion and I really believe we live in a control fraud. mostly chemical in origin like enslaved ants. Mystics pump out enslaving soma but may also be in pursuit of freedom. Marx had some good ideas on freedom, but was also stuck in the gas of racism and economic determinism - the poverty of historicism and its chronic stupidity. You wouldn't think much of me telling you what to do on the basis of my 'superior skin colour' like some of my worst ancestors RP (though I'm a fourth generation union man on my fathers side). We cannot go around telling people what they should have done, yet in a way we also should say we think they are wrong. I don't read much mystic stuff because it is so quickly boring and obviously copied - but this is true of almost all presstitute news.and soi-called entertainment. I skip sex and action sequences in film because they are boring copies of copies. How would we decide on what should be taught? Thousands of serious experts have got this as badly wrong as religionists who think education is about beating their book into kids. Poor little deluded Molly. Shall we go over to the US to make sure she is safe crossing the road? Look right, look left, look right again now Moll - oops! You guys drive on the right! Much as our certain attitudes won't do RP (or Molly's) neither will some soggy relativism. I think we might get further thinking the future with a real history in a semantic web. Such would contain deluded idiots who think British involvement in India was about transforming you 'natives' to civilised standards. There are better things to call bollox than the mystics. But how do we know? On Friday, March 20, 2015 at 11:50:18 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote: > > There is a genetic predisposition in some people towards mysticism, those > who have such a disposition will wander into that sphere without any > guidance and spend a lifetime in such endeavor. In that pursuit if they > neglect, even though to a little extent, their duties towards others it > pinches when you find out in the end that the quest was not worth the > effort. Molly might be sure that she has reached the ultimate in her > efforts, but my reading is that you are just fooling yourself if you think > so and maybe in the end you will realize like me that you were just > following your inclination and rationalizing things to feel worthy of the > effort. > > On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:00 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > There is always the problem of what we feel the real motivation of people > (like Gandhi) who one can read slept in bed with young kids in order to > save the world by his resisting his own temptations or was a British spy > and so on. Who knows what mystics might be doing. Maybe they just strugg > along making livings out of a foolish audience. It can seem that way. But > why pick on them in this world of bullshit jobs and bankers? > > For some people, mystic practices are very important, but then so is > fashion, cricket and a whole range of trivia. I must be honest RP and > declare I do not believe they achieve "Warp 10" and are in touch with every > quantum in the universe as Molly suggests, but this is not to assume Moll > is lying to us or doesn't have the experience she testifies to. Joan of > Arc is a saint to some and saved the French from the English fiend. In > films she looks good in a suit of armour. Some think she was just a > deluded kid and there never was much of a siege of Orleans to relieve. > Indeed, some of us think the whole of history, as held in popular > imaginations, is crap. > > There are dire people about - you only have to look at the power elite > almost anywhere to know - yet most people are in thrall to them or > celebrity. Yet if we start looking down on people we have missed the > point. And maybe we have to find ways of talking in which we can offend > each other without clashing swords in ad hominem and the other standard > distractive jousts this place has been riddled with? I am sure there are > things to learn at your feet RP, as I already have. Molly is a good > teacher too. And so are kids, eyes gleaming, arms round Zak enjoying his > delight with them. Max gets jealous and performs his tricks to take part, > in a scene moving on. Put a paedophile in this scene and the wonder > stops. Make that me and I will want to blood a nose, though I don't do > that kind of violence. > > I think the history of mysticism is a failure, but then we have what is > largely a history of mistakes. Molly has written some acute stuff on > tolerance. It gleamed at me from the page like Zak's eyes with a new > girlfriend. I know it doesn't help me calibrate a Femto laser and don't > care. I could teach her that in half-an-hour. I suspect much scientific > fear of mysticism comes from fear of general COWDUNG public opinion and > idiots. I don't believe in quamta other than as accounting devices, so if > Molly brought me one back in a jar from her experience with the one my > world-view would be shaken apart (but then the micro-structure of water is > every attosecond). Molly will not be waiting for my consignment of jars > with baited breath and I won't be posting any. > > Once one asserts the "proper" one is potentially patronising RP. This > cannot be the end of the matter, of course, for how else to we protect our > kids or prioritise? Yet note in this sentence I am stating that protecting > kids is proper - against wider anthropology and history their are examples > where this protection is not done and even seen as bad. And I could be > patronising in raising this with you. Yet what kind of fool turns up to > teach thinking the class is there to learn? This is a world of keeping the > wolf from the door, not learning. > > I have seem Molly's apparent description of her experience thousands of > times. It's so common it's "Warp 10" in Voyager. Scews up Paris' DNA as I > remember. It is, of course, not a description at all, much as most > eyewitness accounts are not very good or complete without help. Here, one > might do the lady the courtesy of reading a couple of her books, before > thinking I'm criticising other than constructively. One can see something > of 'grasping frames' and inclusive argument attempting to find common > cause. Ofcourse, there is far more I dislike about mystic and religious > literature than I have time for. > > > On Friday, March 20, 2015 at 2:38:43 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote: > > That some mystics are very successful people is to be accepted, but if > they had endeavored in proper spheres they might have contributed much more > to the human pool, also it would have stopped fools like me to have wasted > so much time on the path of knowledge, for there is nothing to be gained by > such knowledge. Better the sportsman who plays with vigor and totally > committed and attached to the sport than the mystic in search of answers to > questions which when known lead to disappointment. Of what use is the > experience or any such knowledge when faced with the fact that you have > this life only and by laying down a path which leads to no practical > achievement you are spoiling the life of so many others who follow you. > Attachment to a cause is better than detachment because the latter > diminishes the psychological motivation to excel. > > On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 6:08 AM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > Translation must be confusing idea with viewpoint somehow, two completely > different things in the English language. I am also unsure why you think > your perceptions and judgement of people who are seeking a mystical > experience apply to all mystics but all I can say is I have had a > completely different experience of people who study mysticism and have had > mystical experiences. While some of them do follow the trends, the majority > of people I know who follow these interests are professional, successful, > intelligent, more often than not, loving people. You may feel that these > pursuits are a waste of time, that does not mean they are. It just means > that your judgments shape your opinions. not uncommon. If you feel this > way, why enter into the discussion? Do you get something out of telling > people they waste their time and shrug their family responsibility (even > though you have no clue whether or not they actually do?) > > > On Thursday, March 19, 2015 at 8:16:00 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote: > > There is difference between viewpoint and experience, in the first there > is just an idea in the other there is the experiencing. I have known many > people spending hours in the practice of concentration to achieve the > experience, time which could easily have been spent on more essential > activities. Also most people get so obsessed with the idea that they become > carefree and start taking worldly matters carelessly, their priorities get > skewed. > > On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:03 AM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > I am sure you know nothing about how I live up to my responsibilities to > my family as illustrated by your statement. Having a mystical viewpoint, or > your viewpoint or any other viewpoint does not require you to neglect your > family and I have not clue why you would think so. These experiences can > happen as you go through your daily life, fulfilling your responsibilities. > I gave you the name Nisargadatta, a mystic from your country. He fulfills > his daily obligations while teaching the mystical viewpoint. Look it up. > > On Thursday, March 19, 2015 at 1:22:59 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote: > > You have lost the direction of the discussion in this foolish business of > halos.Pursuit of experience of what you call spiritual experience by taking > drugs or concentration is just so much waste of time and energy. It yields > nothing except smugness of achieving what you call the experience of > non-duality. All this at the expense of finding time to fulfill your > responsibility towards your family. You have to get your priorities right! > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 10:11 PM, andrew vecsey <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I am not sure what you want me to ask an artist, but if you mean that I > should ask the artists how to interpret their works of art, they should be > insulted. They would i think like to believe that there are as many > interpretations to their works of art as there are eyes that behold them. > > On Thursday, March 19, 2015 at 5:21:27 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: > > Ask the artist. > > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: RP Singh <[email protected]> > To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> > Sent: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 4:20 PM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics > > I don't see why religious people should be honored , how and in what way > are doctors, engineers and social activists inferior to your God-knowers? > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:28 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > What I have been trying to tell you is halos are and artist rendition type > of thing. Have little or nothing about reality. > Why not let people just be people and not read ideas into images.. > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: RP Singh <[email protected]> > To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> > Sent: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 3:43 PM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics > > By your reasoning people who talk a lot about God, about their experience > of God are holy people! I have known a lot of such people to be thieves and > vagabonds thriving on the gullibility of the masses, Osho was one such and > was rightly booted out of the States. Maybe I should put a halo around you > because you claim to have met God three times. > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 7:58 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Do you think a lot of the political leaders of today should be admired and > follow their moral behavior.. > > What you just said is thieves are murders should be admired.. > > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: RP Singh <[email protected]> > To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> > Sent: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 3:18 PM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics > > If that is the case why don't they have halos around so many dead > dignitaries like the American Presidents, Indian Prime Ministers and social > activists? > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 7:37 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > The purpose of the halo is to draw attention.. To the Person or being in > the picture or drawing. It does not mean that it exist in physical life.. > It is simply a symbol of honor. > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: RP Singh <[email protected]> > To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> > Sent: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 2:55 PM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics > > But I don't see any around you, my friend! > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 7:13 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > I think you need to check the paintings of Indian deities. Looks like a > lot of halos to me. > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: RP Singh <[email protected]> > To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> > Sent: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 2:27 PM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics > > What can be gained by the experience, it is a lot of hard work and takes > much time. You can see Molly, Vam and many others, they are just like us, > at least I don't see any halo around them, maybe you do. We have so many > responsibilities in this world and instead of taking care of them we are > engaged in this fruitless exercise. We need to have our priorities right! > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 11:45 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > Certainly logic in that RP. Physics has got very interested > (speculatively) on observer-observed 'interactions' and quantum-jumping in > 4 sheets of space-time shadows of 8 dimensions and a role for dark matter > in biology. You have to be pretty clever to follow it and pretty dumb to > think you understand it, and that understanding requires some sort of > notion of ourselves as electro-magnetic fields in instantaneous connection > with distant aliens (these claims on a non-scientific basis are found in > some 'primitive dreamtimes') - as well as more material-organic. Someone > was standing next to me when I saw my Mongol horde and she didn't see it. > My mind distinctly placed the scene as 'outside me' yet clearly it was > inside my virtual space. > > There has long been talk of misplaced concreteness and the bifurcation of > reality (AN Whitehead here, deep in Eastern history). Reality is > structured and so is the concept of duality. Rapture and bliss may be good > for us like breast-feeding, but seem unlikely as much other than a > variation in human experience. However, I do think some kind of first > contact might be made, even in trying to have such experience. > > > On Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 3:48:25 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote: > > The state of bliss or rapture is just a state of awareness of a human > being, it cannot be called non-dual or God-state. If you look at the very > word 'non-dual' it means absence of two and in effect one. In any state of > consciousness or awareness there are always two--the observer and the > observation, there is the one that is aware and the bliss or rapture. > Non-dual expresses a singularity, the 'ONE', where there is no other, in > effect a state beyond consciousness or maybe just a permanent state of > unconsciousness. It is not death but the supreme state from which the > entire creation streams out following the big bang or whatever. > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 4:17 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > Indeed you are a god to me Tony - just don't fall on my spot at the bottom > of the precipice or break Allan's coffee machine on the way down. One > could fall to grace. The Russians stopped drilling into the Earth's core > at about 8 miles. Some believe this was because they could hear the > screams from Hell. In fact, their drill just hit a pot of Allan's double > espresso and Gabby was scalded on the floor below. We have had to keep the > trap-door shut since then, though we now get messages she has made her own > hope and sunshine, > > If the mystics are mystic, why do they keep copying each other like > management textbook writers and gurus? I sort of want something different > and if I had the experience would be really pissed off if I could only > describe it as though I'd just come out of a Tom Perter's session. Of > course, I haven't be purified yet or got a licence to fly the higher > plane. If it's VTOL I promise to drop by and take you on the ride. > > There has to be more to mysticism than the Soylent Green type and the > sales pitchers of its nutritional value. Maths with no numbers does a bit > of it for me, but as we know, Allan zeroes out. We use light to remind > mice about good times and they return to them. Thought a lot on Andrew's > framework down by the river. A couple of young girls were hugging Zak - > his now rather done in back legs got a temporary cure and he bounded with > the mystic eyes of pleasure for a bit. Max went to round the old guy up so > we could go home, but the girls' dad was telling them about river otters, > so we stayed a while. To the girls' delight, the dogs went into the river > to demonstrate. It's out there somewhere. > > > On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 9:35:33 PM UTC, facilitator wrote: > > I happen to be very humble. Sometimes proud of it. I did not answer > myself. Anyone reading that has to resharpen their senses so as to make a > more simple response quite profound. > > Clearly their is something at work here which requires me know to "adjust" > my dispenser orifice. My narcissistic arrogance was not present at that > age since I mostly found myself fighting off gangs from other blocks in my > urban neighborhood. Very little time to think past which alley way is the > quickest route home. Being careful not to become cynical, I weave my way > around and find no alley way. Expounding on this any further would probably > cheapen the experience. Fascinating! Thinking there might be a deity > involved would be a first step, thinking I might be my own deity is not a > step but a precipice. > > On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 5:13:36 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote: > > Knowing more than Tony is easy. Like Zaphod Beeblebrox, his ego is bigger > than imagination from a slice of Proust's angel cake that took him back to > an aunty's. Using such power to visit an aunt reveals a lack of knowledge > or a very dull boy. 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