Bitch. Don't kill my vibe. *When Hope has finished her community service mixing with these smoking jokers, perhaps she will join me at the back of reggae concert halls shouting Bob Marley was a wi**fe beater? We have a butterfly house just down the road, but I have not seen one pimped yet. Sounds like something I wouldn't watch.*
n Sunday, 22 March 2015 12:30:42 UTC, Gabby wrote: > > I find Ms Hope struggling with the American God too: > > > http://themuse.jezebel.com/the-overwhelming-blackness-of-kendrick-lamars-butterfly-1691770606 > > 2015-03-19 18:56 GMT+01:00 archytas <[email protected]>: > >> Put Hope away Gabby, if you have the right kind of containment field. >> Then she could light the world and stop all that hot fusion distraction. >> Of course the session was about you dear, as therapists can lie. It;s all >> about the others for a Marxist who hasn't realised one never quite sheds >> off being a Christian. Machines take a more conciliatory view on meaning >> than meaning what one means, and overwrite to communicate understand in the >> semantic web. One hopes you noticed the Oxford Comma in the last >> sentence. All might hang on that, or not. Lovely to see you back. The >> 'or not' is irrelevant when talking to such a refined receiver as you, on >> other person's intent as a your world phenomenon. Keep sending the jam. >> Toodleoo. >> >> >> On Thursday, March 19, 2015 at 10:21:24 AM UTC, Gabby wrote: >>> >>> Oops, of course I meant to tell you so you don't feel hurt. Double >>> twisted loops thinking in not negating what isn't being meant to said.. >>> >>> Am Donnerstag, 19. März 2015 schrieb Gabby Thiede : >>> >>>> Hm, I don't know how how to tell you so you understand and feel hurt. >>>> This topic thread was about me and not about you. >>>> >>>> My words are my words in my context. They are simple enough to not need >>>> replacement by your words. I mean what I mean and don't need overwriting. >>>> >>>> Last night on the underground I listened to a drugged homeless proudly >>>> singing his own rhymes to the Fugees song "ready or not here I come". He >>>> brought the four strangers sitting together to non-verbally communicating >>>> and negotiating with each other. Three were giving him money and the >>>> fourth >>>> was pleased to see us doing it. Then each went their own ways. >>>> >>>> This thread was about me and what I have learned. >>>> >>>> Am Donnerstag, 19. März 2015 schrieb archytas : >>>> >>>>> Couldn't resist thinking that one could replace 'Jew' with 'American' >>>>> in this from Marx: >>>>> >>>>> 'Every emancipation is a restoration of the human world and of human >>>>> relationships to a man himself. >>>>> Very well then! Emancipation from huckstering and money, consequently >>>>> from practical, real Judaism, would be the self-emancipation of our time. >>>>> An organization of society [such as communism] which would abolish the >>>>> preconditions for huckstering, and therefore the possibility of >>>>> huckstering, would make [this] Jew impossible. His religious >>>>> consciousness >>>>> would be dissipated like a thin haze in the real, vital air of society. >>>>> On >>>>> the other hand, if the Jew recognizes that this practical nature of his >>>>> is >>>>> futile and works to abolish it, he extricates himself from his previous >>>>> development and works for human emancipation as such and turns against >>>>> the >>>>> supreme practical expression of human self-estrangement.' >>>>> >>>>> Very anti-Semitic in current material conditions. >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 8:48:47 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Imp is an odd word. It's what the old women used to call us when we >>>>>> were running away from something we hadn't done, and a brand of chimney >>>>>> cleaner you got to throw on the fire to set fire to the soot. The other >>>>>> brand was called Puck, but Imp was the one that brought the fire >>>>>> brigade. >>>>>> I was a very good little boy, making up for your lack of enthusiasm for >>>>>> good girlness. Fortunately, I had an evil big sister who loved me >>>>>> dearly, >>>>>> so there was always someone around to prank who could see through my >>>>>> act. >>>>>> Not that I called you Imp - I am not Screwtape. To think we once had a >>>>>> newspaper with such tales in (Manchester Guardian). Thank you for the >>>>>> returned love. I shall have it preserved, as the jam-makers say. >>>>>> >>>>>> I loitered too long trying to make business studies interesting and >>>>>> less soul-destroying (I doubt many have done experiments in fume >>>>>> cupboards >>>>>> teaching industrial relations and then taken their class down a >>>>>> mine).but >>>>>> my health couldn't stand the bugs international classes carry. Everyone >>>>>> thought I'd run off with a young Polish woman, but really she was older >>>>>> than me, the name Ukrainian and she was a policeman's daughter from >>>>>> Oldham. Confusion is easy. I appreciate you would tell me if you >>>>>> did seeing as you must be at least half the internet. Thank heavens for >>>>>> the German sense of humour, we might say. Living, as we were told >>>>>> today, >>>>>> in prosperous yet facing even greater austerity Britain, with 5% more >>>>>> GDP >>>>>> thanks to hookers and blow revisions, one would think we wouldn't need a >>>>>> laugh, but then you Germans now export everything to our rapidly >>>>>> expanding >>>>>> economy. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 6:09:15 PM UTC, Gabby wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What can I do but return the love to you?! I am reminded of an old >>>>>>> screen name I used to have somewhere else when you call me imp - >>>>>>> homuncula. >>>>>>> I guess you like it. And no, I never wanted to become the good girl you >>>>>>> say >>>>>>> I would have liked to be, the very idea makes me feel guilty of what I >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> done to have left that impression. Sorry to have caused a confusion >>>>>>> here. I >>>>>>> don't know how to get you to people who understand what you are doing >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> could be doing. I would tell you if I knew. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Am Mittwoch, 18. März 2015 schrieb archytas : >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No doubt we proceed by transference and its counter in our new >>>>>>>> co-counselling manoeuvres. It is often difficult to proceed when >>>>>>>> someone >>>>>>>> takes one's admission that one doesn't really know when WW1 and WW2 or >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> one in Africa that is ongoing and invisible is merely that one doesn't >>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>> the terms 1914 and 1939. It is true some of our American cousins (for >>>>>>>> even >>>>>>>> you and I are in the 'family porridge').thought free trade and >>>>>>>> self-reliance a kind of god and a health service for all the work of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Devil. And that some of them mistake a quasi-orgasmic >>>>>>>> selfish-rationalisation by these means with the spiritual world. >>>>>>>> Perhaps >>>>>>>> you would be more comfortable in Allan's excellent private email group >>>>>>>> he >>>>>>>> advertises in here without compunction? Or watching the excellent >>>>>>>> NCIS and >>>>>>>> various other forms of the all-encompassing American excellence of >>>>>>>> excellence not even excellent in its own terms 30 years after we slow >>>>>>>> Europeans get round to teaching it, not realising *In Search of >>>>>>>> Excellence *was a copy of a British report into good secondary >>>>>>>> schools that could be deflated with a quick trip to a German one. >>>>>>>> Sorry to >>>>>>>> be so serious when you are not as happy as you might be. You have >>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>> sensed I need a different audience and were always right on this. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am unclear how you have turned :-) into Bart Simpson's 'eat my >>>>>>>> shorts', but American colonialism is more subtle than our crude >>>>>>>> commie-green constructs can handle. Resistance often has to be banal >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> symbolic. I can, in deep introspective, see the light coming from >>>>>>>> whence >>>>>>>> the sun does not shine and rework through that stunning emotion. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is therapy that recognises trauma as part of recognising >>>>>>>> reality and we do seem equipped to shift brain blood flows to rapture >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> bliss once purified and developed not to need the drug users >>>>>>>> paraphernalia >>>>>>>> - a Greek term of that property of a women not subsumed by the male in >>>>>>>> marriage husbandry. You can be assured I care, and know a hundred >>>>>>>> logics of >>>>>>>> caring that isn't if caught not caring. Trust is a poison cure and >>>>>>>> though >>>>>>>> we have language terms that sound clever in Greek, hinting that one is >>>>>>>> read >>>>>>>> in the Athenian Enlightenment of a city of 400,000 with 250,000 slaves >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> not much for a woman to look forward to other than be allowed out >>>>>>>> after 60 >>>>>>>> to the funerals of friends, language itself remains unaware of the >>>>>>>> dispositions of its materialisation. This is why I advocate the >>>>>>>> spreadsheet and database as other than accounting practice. Two >>>>>>>> decent >>>>>>>> adding machines would be more use to a free society than all of >>>>>>>> banking, >>>>>>>> economics and the politics of the rubber-masked aliens running the >>>>>>>> show. I >>>>>>>> don't know if you have ever read any AI, but it is very like anything >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> have learned in the linguistic game and your brilliant turn to AL with >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> capital 'i'. It is worth 'putting up with you', a compliment I have >>>>>>>> detuned in fear of the great rebuke of your kindly 'piss off outta >>>>>>>> here >>>>>>>> Neil' deconstructive repetitions and wit. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is still possible to relate other than through mannered language >>>>>>>> and its slogans. I remain soppy enough to offer to 'hold hands', >>>>>>>> though >>>>>>>> know my dogs' love is reliant on their lack of opposed thumbs in a >>>>>>>> world of >>>>>>>> tins. I would say we both know what it is to be let down by promises. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's Budget Day here and I feel very let down. The idea as a kid >>>>>>>> seemed to >>>>>>>> be that a bit of knuckling down to 'mustn't grumble' (darf nicht >>>>>>>> murren >>>>>>>> doesn't get this - do you have better?) would produce a decent society >>>>>>>> across the globe. as we worked together to cope with a coming ice age >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> find romantic love and peace. Life would be good as a cog in this >>>>>>>> Kantian >>>>>>>> wheel. We had won the war to end all wars that created the next one, >>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>> we won in order to fight the ally we weren't told had really won it, >>>>>>>> whilst >>>>>>>> we tried to steal the Middle East back with the French, stopped only >>>>>>>> by the >>>>>>>> American democratic god that had enough money to do the takeover as >>>>>>>> everyone else was bankrupt. My part in this peace was to become >>>>>>>> democratic >>>>>>>> like an American with the great freedoms my spur, whilst somehow >>>>>>>> preparing >>>>>>>> for this peace by being ready to kill interfering Germans and Japanese. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To discover this wasn't the world I was living in was something of >>>>>>>> a shock. One wonders now how they taught us such a concealment of the >>>>>>>> truth and prepared us for trauma on discovering any. Social insects >>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>> trauma in consensus building. We use the techniques of the American >>>>>>>> god of >>>>>>>> Hopeless Sunshine. My logic is science, which works by concealing >>>>>>>> that it >>>>>>>> is barely logical at all until written up for public consumption. >>>>>>>> What you >>>>>>>> need to become a mystic is a past invention like Socrates, an original >>>>>>>> invention copied from travellers' tales East, so heroic and more good >>>>>>>> looking than you that he was a saint in his own time, revered by all >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> good sense, in order to interpolate through him (her being in fashion) >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> great vision you invented from an old copy of an ancient text >>>>>>>> translated >>>>>>>> ten times and itself written 60 years after the miracles everyone at >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> time was too busy to give contemporaneous account of. You know this >>>>>>>> drift >>>>>>>> Gabby and it makes it tough to be the good girl you wish you'd been >>>>>>>> born of >>>>>>>> and is actually the kind of person I cross the street to avoid. Well >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> have to avoid them. Their eyes are so upturned to the American god >>>>>>>> and not >>>>>>>> getting caught in pass-the-parcel without the box of dollars they >>>>>>>> intend to >>>>>>>> run off with when the music stops, they never notice who they step on. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They mostly weren't in here though. I'd like to hear more and >>>>>>>> different - though I can break up even this sentence in various >>>>>>>> contexts >>>>>>>> including receptions and my own intent-receptions-repetitions. >>>>>>>> Burke and Hare is good on hypocrisy and so is the holy genuflection of >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> Tibetan monk, all adulatory eyes like a good whore (a one-legged one >>>>>>>> saved >>>>>>>> my life if you remember) to his Chinese appointed Lama. Rapturous >>>>>>>> adulation can be faked as easily as men and women manage biological >>>>>>>> ecstasy. Tough old world. I like the story that William Blake had >>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>> 'visions' in a lifelong pursuit of the rise he got taking the St >>>>>>>> Michael >>>>>>>> out of pretentious gawps. Uncle Screwtape passes on his love to his >>>>>>>> dearest un-American imp. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 9:27:47 AM UTC, Gabby wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Heyo Neil, thanks for sharing, I take it as caring. Not my logic >>>>>>>>> though. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am not as happy as I could be in this group here is what I >>>>>>>>> thought I had tried to communicate for quite some time. I have summed >>>>>>>>> up my >>>>>>>>> reasoning to construct a reasonable narrative for myself and also to >>>>>>>>> give >>>>>>>>> you a reason to know why you were right with your set up. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Happy sunshine everywhere. :-) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2015-03-18 2:11 GMT+01:00 archytas <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Who would we not be apologising to? >>>>>>>>>> http://listverse.com/2014/02/04/10-evil-crimes-of-the-britis >>>>>>>>>> h-empire/ >>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herero_and_Namaqua_Genocide >>>>>>>>>> http://med-slavery.uni-trier.de/minev/MedSlavery/Members/ste >>>>>>>>>> llo/bibliobits/articlereference.2007-07-27.3233996517 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As a kid Gabby, I imagined the Royal Navy at sea to prevent the >>>>>>>>>> drugs trade in the Opium Wars, not support the trade. We are all >>>>>>>>>> had by >>>>>>>>>> nationalism. Few of us grow out of it. I guess 'Israel' will not >>>>>>>>>> take >>>>>>>>>> keenly to being reminded that all 2000 of Istanbul's Slavers' Club >>>>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>>>> Jews. You know what Germans can be reminded of. Where is the moral >>>>>>>>>> hill >>>>>>>>>> for your sermon on the mount? It is not unwelcome, but it is >>>>>>>>>> shrill, >>>>>>>>>> boring and unknowledgeable - whereas you are not. What now then? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 11:18:05 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Welcome back Gabby. Have you had a mystic experience? We seem >>>>>>>>>>> to be short of them in another thread on mystics. Unlike your old >>>>>>>>>>> themes >>>>>>>>>>> they seem to have been quickly forgotten. I see you have been >>>>>>>>>>> 'reading up' >>>>>>>>>>> on US hatestory. Alex Blum is good too. Of course, in 1861 when >>>>>>>>>>> the old >>>>>>>>>>> countries were imperialising and drug trafficking, we did mean to >>>>>>>>>>> join the >>>>>>>>>>> Confederates. The American mistake, by one vote, was not speaking >>>>>>>>>>> the more >>>>>>>>>>> peaceful German of the royalty you exported to us and the Russians >>>>>>>>>>> so we >>>>>>>>>>> could have a good old family squabble, or two. We might blame the >>>>>>>>>>> Dutch, >>>>>>>>>>> but then Allan has been placed amongst them. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Have you read the history of the slaving in Europe and around >>>>>>>>>>> the Black Sea? One hears remarkably little contrition on this >>>>>>>>>>> account >>>>>>>>>>> either. What to do then? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 10:07:47 PM UTC, Gabby wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Right, here goes my lessons learned article… >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have come to the conclusion that the American God varies >>>>>>>>>>>> largely from the German God. Let me explain how I have arrived at >>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>> point. Before I came to this group here I have always thought that >>>>>>>>>>>> God was >>>>>>>>>>>> sort of a universal concept for anything that was not something. >>>>>>>>>>>> Here I >>>>>>>>>>>> became introduced to the idea that everything had to be determined >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> defined properly to be valid and to become accessible for an >>>>>>>>>>>> argumentative >>>>>>>>>>>> exchange. Those who could or would not operate on this basis got >>>>>>>>>>>> banned or >>>>>>>>>>>> when in doubt they get ridiculed, bullied ,and ignored. The >>>>>>>>>>>> representatives >>>>>>>>>>>> of this system and how they themselves have defined their role as >>>>>>>>>>>> group >>>>>>>>>>>> moderators has ever since reminded me of the God of the Old >>>>>>>>>>>> Testament in my >>>>>>>>>>>> children's bible. Non-transparent execution of power over >>>>>>>>>>>> childlike >>>>>>>>>>>> members. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I soon began to draw connections from the strange habitus of >>>>>>>>>>>> the performers in power to the belief systems under discussion >>>>>>>>>>>> here. Except >>>>>>>>>>>> for the two eccentric British "cousins" all power performers and >>>>>>>>>>>> performers >>>>>>>>>>>> in power were Americans from what I remember. No matter what kind >>>>>>>>>>>> of God >>>>>>>>>>>> concept they proposed, they all had this transcending notion in >>>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>>> appeal . It felt like the American myth is in constant need of >>>>>>>>>>>> feeding >>>>>>>>>>>> itself with a self-perpetuating self-pride through a permanent >>>>>>>>>>>> celebration >>>>>>>>>>>> of liberating one's own liberty from any sort of dependency. >>>>>>>>>>>> Fighting >>>>>>>>>>>> everything that does not fit in that frame. I felt no >>>>>>>>>>>> responsibility, no >>>>>>>>>>>> remorse, no historical conscience for their genocide of their >>>>>>>>>>>> First Nations >>>>>>>>>>>> and for their Slave history, no awareness for possibly having been >>>>>>>>>>>> a thorn >>>>>>>>>>>> in the flesh of somebody else. Nada. Not meant to be there. >>>>>>>>>>>> Hypocrisy >>>>>>>>>>>> instead. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I think and hope that I have more or less made my peace with >>>>>>>>>>>> God's imprint on the Americans. "We hold these truths to be >>>>>>>>>>>> self-evident, >>>>>>>>>>>> that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their >>>>>>>>>>>> Creator with >>>>>>>>>>>> certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> pursuit of Happiness." I take it the pursuit of Happiness was the >>>>>>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>>>>> indicator for transcendental sunshine demand when declaring one's >>>>>>>>>>>> independence from the old continent. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So, yes, the time is now. 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