I find Ms Hope struggling with the American God too: http://themuse.jezebel.com/the-overwhelming-blackness-of-kendrick-lamars-butterfly-1691770606
2015-03-19 18:56 GMT+01:00 archytas <[email protected]>: > Put Hope away Gabby, if you have the right kind of containment field. > Then she could light the world and stop all that hot fusion distraction. > Of course the session was about you dear, as therapists can lie. It;s all > about the others for a Marxist who hasn't realised one never quite sheds > off being a Christian. Machines take a more conciliatory view on meaning > than meaning what one means, and overwrite to communicate understand in the > semantic web. One hopes you noticed the Oxford Comma in the last > sentence. All might hang on that, or not. Lovely to see you back. The > 'or not' is irrelevant when talking to such a refined receiver as you, on > other person's intent as a your world phenomenon. Keep sending the jam. > Toodleoo. > > > On Thursday, March 19, 2015 at 10:21:24 AM UTC, Gabby wrote: >> >> Oops, of course I meant to tell you so you don't feel hurt. Double >> twisted loops thinking in not negating what isn't being meant to said.. >> >> Am Donnerstag, 19. März 2015 schrieb Gabby Thiede : >> >>> Hm, I don't know how how to tell you so you understand and feel hurt. >>> This topic thread was about me and not about you. >>> >>> My words are my words in my context. They are simple enough to not need >>> replacement by your words. I mean what I mean and don't need overwriting. >>> >>> Last night on the underground I listened to a drugged homeless proudly >>> singing his own rhymes to the Fugees song "ready or not here I come". He >>> brought the four strangers sitting together to non-verbally communicating >>> and negotiating with each other. Three were giving him money and the fourth >>> was pleased to see us doing it. Then each went their own ways. >>> >>> This thread was about me and what I have learned. >>> >>> Am Donnerstag, 19. März 2015 schrieb archytas : >>> >>>> Couldn't resist thinking that one could replace 'Jew' with 'American' >>>> in this from Marx: >>>> >>>> 'Every emancipation is a restoration of the human world and of human >>>> relationships to a man himself. >>>> Very well then! Emancipation from huckstering and money, consequently >>>> from practical, real Judaism, would be the self-emancipation of our time. >>>> An organization of society [such as communism] which would abolish the >>>> preconditions for huckstering, and therefore the possibility of >>>> huckstering, would make [this] Jew impossible. His religious consciousness >>>> would be dissipated like a thin haze in the real, vital air of society. On >>>> the other hand, if the Jew recognizes that this practical nature of his is >>>> futile and works to abolish it, he extricates himself from his previous >>>> development and works for human emancipation as such and turns against the >>>> supreme practical expression of human self-estrangement.' >>>> >>>> Very anti-Semitic in current material conditions. >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 8:48:47 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Imp is an odd word. It's what the old women used to call us when we >>>>> were running away from something we hadn't done, and a brand of chimney >>>>> cleaner you got to throw on the fire to set fire to the soot. The other >>>>> brand was called Puck, but Imp was the one that brought the fire brigade. >>>>> I was a very good little boy, making up for your lack of enthusiasm for >>>>> good girlness. Fortunately, I had an evil big sister who loved me dearly, >>>>> so there was always someone around to prank who could see through my act. >>>>> Not that I called you Imp - I am not Screwtape. To think we once had a >>>>> newspaper with such tales in (Manchester Guardian). Thank you for the >>>>> returned love. I shall have it preserved, as the jam-makers say. >>>>> >>>>> I loitered too long trying to make business studies interesting and >>>>> less soul-destroying (I doubt many have done experiments in fume cupboards >>>>> teaching industrial relations and then taken their class down a mine).but >>>>> my health couldn't stand the bugs international classes carry. Everyone >>>>> thought I'd run off with a young Polish woman, but really she was older >>>>> than me, the name Ukrainian and she was a policeman's daughter from >>>>> Oldham. Confusion is easy. I appreciate you would tell me if you >>>>> did seeing as you must be at least half the internet. Thank heavens for >>>>> the German sense of humour, we might say. Living, as we were told today, >>>>> in prosperous yet facing even greater austerity Britain, with 5% more GDP >>>>> thanks to hookers and blow revisions, one would think we wouldn't need a >>>>> laugh, but then you Germans now export everything to our rapidly expanding >>>>> economy. >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 6:09:15 PM UTC, Gabby wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> What can I do but return the love to you?! I am reminded of an old >>>>>> screen name I used to have somewhere else when you call me imp - >>>>>> homuncula. >>>>>> I guess you like it. And no, I never wanted to become the good girl you >>>>>> say >>>>>> I would have liked to be, the very idea makes me feel guilty of what I >>>>>> have >>>>>> done to have left that impression. Sorry to have caused a confusion >>>>>> here. I >>>>>> don't know how to get you to people who understand what you are doing or >>>>>> could be doing. I would tell you if I knew. >>>>>> >>>>>> Am Mittwoch, 18. März 2015 schrieb archytas : >>>>>> >>>>>>> No doubt we proceed by transference and its counter in our new >>>>>>> co-counselling manoeuvres. It is often difficult to proceed when >>>>>>> someone >>>>>>> takes one's admission that one doesn't really know when WW1 and WW2 or >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> one in Africa that is ongoing and invisible is merely that one doesn't >>>>>>> know >>>>>>> the terms 1914 and 1939. It is true some of our American cousins (for >>>>>>> even >>>>>>> you and I are in the 'family porridge').thought free trade and >>>>>>> self-reliance a kind of god and a health service for all the work of the >>>>>>> Devil. And that some of them mistake a quasi-orgasmic >>>>>>> selfish-rationalisation by these means with the spiritual world. >>>>>>> Perhaps >>>>>>> you would be more comfortable in Allan's excellent private email group >>>>>>> he >>>>>>> advertises in here without compunction? Or watching the excellent NCIS >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> various other forms of the all-encompassing American excellence of >>>>>>> excellence not even excellent in its own terms 30 years after we slow >>>>>>> Europeans get round to teaching it, not realising *In Search of >>>>>>> Excellence *was a copy of a British report into good secondary >>>>>>> schools that could be deflated with a quick trip to a German one. >>>>>>> Sorry to >>>>>>> be so serious when you are not as happy as you might be. You have >>>>>>> always >>>>>>> sensed I need a different audience and were always right on this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am unclear how you have turned :-) into Bart Simpson's 'eat my >>>>>>> shorts', but American colonialism is more subtle than our crude >>>>>>> commie-green constructs can handle. Resistance often has to be banal >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> symbolic. I can, in deep introspective, see the light coming from >>>>>>> whence >>>>>>> the sun does not shine and rework through that stunning emotion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is therapy that recognises trauma as part of recognising >>>>>>> reality and we do seem equipped to shift brain blood flows to rapture >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> bliss once purified and developed not to need the drug users >>>>>>> paraphernalia >>>>>>> - a Greek term of that property of a women not subsumed by the male in >>>>>>> marriage husbandry. You can be assured I care, and know a hundred >>>>>>> logics of >>>>>>> caring that isn't if caught not caring. Trust is a poison cure and >>>>>>> though >>>>>>> we have language terms that sound clever in Greek, hinting that one is >>>>>>> read >>>>>>> in the Athenian Enlightenment of a city of 400,000 with 250,000 slaves >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> not much for a woman to look forward to other than be allowed out after >>>>>>> 60 >>>>>>> to the funerals of friends, language itself remains unaware of the >>>>>>> dispositions of its materialisation. This is why I advocate the >>>>>>> spreadsheet and database as other than accounting practice. Two decent >>>>>>> adding machines would be more use to a free society than all of banking, >>>>>>> economics and the politics of the rubber-masked aliens running the >>>>>>> show. I >>>>>>> don't know if you have ever read any AI, but it is very like anything >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> have learned in the linguistic game and your brilliant turn to AL with >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> capital 'i'. It is worth 'putting up with you', a compliment I have >>>>>>> detuned in fear of the great rebuke of your kindly 'piss off outta here >>>>>>> Neil' deconstructive repetitions and wit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is still possible to relate other than through mannered language >>>>>>> and its slogans. I remain soppy enough to offer to 'hold hands', though >>>>>>> know my dogs' love is reliant on their lack of opposed thumbs in a >>>>>>> world of >>>>>>> tins. I would say we both know what it is to be let down by promises. >>>>>>> It's Budget Day here and I feel very let down. The idea as a kid >>>>>>> seemed to >>>>>>> be that a bit of knuckling down to 'mustn't grumble' (darf nicht murren >>>>>>> doesn't get this - do you have better?) would produce a decent society >>>>>>> across the globe. as we worked together to cope with a coming ice age >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> find romantic love and peace. Life would be good as a cog in this >>>>>>> Kantian >>>>>>> wheel. We had won the war to end all wars that created the next one, >>>>>>> which >>>>>>> we won in order to fight the ally we weren't told had really won it, >>>>>>> whilst >>>>>>> we tried to steal the Middle East back with the French, stopped only by >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> American democratic god that had enough money to do the takeover as >>>>>>> everyone else was bankrupt. My part in this peace was to become >>>>>>> democratic >>>>>>> like an American with the great freedoms my spur, whilst somehow >>>>>>> preparing >>>>>>> for this peace by being ready to kill interfering Germans and Japanese. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To discover this wasn't the world I was living in was something of a >>>>>>> shock. One wonders now how they taught us such a concealment of the >>>>>>> truth >>>>>>> and prepared us for trauma on discovering any. Social insects use >>>>>>> trauma in >>>>>>> consensus building. We use the techniques of the American god of >>>>>>> Hopeless >>>>>>> Sunshine. My logic is science, which works by concealing that it is >>>>>>> barely >>>>>>> logical at all until written up for public consumption. What you need >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> become a mystic is a past invention like Socrates, an original invention >>>>>>> copied from travellers' tales East, so heroic and more good looking >>>>>>> than >>>>>>> you that he was a saint in his own time, revered by all of good sense, >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> order to interpolate through him (her being in fashion) the great vision >>>>>>> you invented from an old copy of an ancient text translated ten times >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> itself written 60 years after the miracles everyone at the time was too >>>>>>> busy to give contemporaneous account of. You know this drift Gabby and >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> makes it tough to be the good girl you wish you'd been born of and is >>>>>>> actually the kind of person I cross the street to avoid. Well you have >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> avoid them. Their eyes are so upturned to the American god and not >>>>>>> getting >>>>>>> caught in pass-the-parcel without the box of dollars they intend to run >>>>>>> off >>>>>>> with when the music stops, they never notice who they step on. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They mostly weren't in here though. I'd like to hear more and >>>>>>> different - though I can break up even this sentence in various contexts >>>>>>> including receptions and my own intent-receptions-repetitions. >>>>>>> Burke and Hare is good on hypocrisy and so is the holy genuflection of a >>>>>>> Tibetan monk, all adulatory eyes like a good whore (a one-legged one >>>>>>> saved >>>>>>> my life if you remember) to his Chinese appointed Lama. Rapturous >>>>>>> adulation can be faked as easily as men and women manage biological >>>>>>> ecstasy. Tough old world. I like the story that William Blake had his >>>>>>> 'visions' in a lifelong pursuit of the rise he got taking the St Michael >>>>>>> out of pretentious gawps. Uncle Screwtape passes on his love to his >>>>>>> dearest un-American imp. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 9:27:47 AM UTC, Gabby wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Heyo Neil, thanks for sharing, I take it as caring. Not my logic >>>>>>>> though. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am not as happy as I could be in this group here is what I >>>>>>>> thought I had tried to communicate for quite some time. I have summed >>>>>>>> up my >>>>>>>> reasoning to construct a reasonable narrative for myself and also to >>>>>>>> give >>>>>>>> you a reason to know why you were right with your set up. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Happy sunshine everywhere. :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2015-03-18 2:11 GMT+01:00 archytas <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Who would we not be apologising to? >>>>>>>>> http://listverse.com/2014/02/04/10-evil-crimes-of-the-britis >>>>>>>>> h-empire/ >>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herero_and_Namaqua_Genocide >>>>>>>>> http://med-slavery.uni-trier.de/minev/MedSlavery/Members/ste >>>>>>>>> llo/bibliobits/articlereference.2007-07-27.3233996517 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As a kid Gabby, I imagined the Royal Navy at sea to prevent the >>>>>>>>> drugs trade in the Opium Wars, not support the trade. We are all had >>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>> nationalism. Few of us grow out of it. I guess 'Israel' will not >>>>>>>>> take >>>>>>>>> keenly to being reminded that all 2000 of Istanbul's Slavers' Club >>>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>>> Jews. You know what Germans can be reminded of. Where is the moral >>>>>>>>> hill >>>>>>>>> for your sermon on the mount? It is not unwelcome, but it is shrill, >>>>>>>>> boring and unknowledgeable - whereas you are not. What now then? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 11:18:05 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Welcome back Gabby. Have you had a mystic experience? We seem >>>>>>>>>> to be short of them in another thread on mystics. Unlike your old >>>>>>>>>> themes >>>>>>>>>> they seem to have been quickly forgotten. I see you have been >>>>>>>>>> 'reading up' >>>>>>>>>> on US hatestory. Alex Blum is good too. Of course, in 1861 when >>>>>>>>>> the old >>>>>>>>>> countries were imperialising and drug trafficking, we did mean to >>>>>>>>>> join the >>>>>>>>>> Confederates. The American mistake, by one vote, was not speaking >>>>>>>>>> the more >>>>>>>>>> peaceful German of the royalty you exported to us and the Russians >>>>>>>>>> so we >>>>>>>>>> could have a good old family squabble, or two. We might blame the >>>>>>>>>> Dutch, >>>>>>>>>> but then Allan has been placed amongst them. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Have you read the history of the slaving in Europe and around the >>>>>>>>>> Black Sea? One hears remarkably little contrition on this account >>>>>>>>>> either. >>>>>>>>>> What to do then? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 10:07:47 PM UTC, Gabby wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Right, here goes my lessons learned article… >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have come to the conclusion that the American God varies >>>>>>>>>>> largely from the German God. Let me explain how I have arrived at >>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>> point. Before I came to this group here I have always thought that >>>>>>>>>>> God was >>>>>>>>>>> sort of a universal concept for anything that was not something. >>>>>>>>>>> Here I >>>>>>>>>>> became introduced to the idea that everything had to be determined >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> defined properly to be valid and to become accessible for an >>>>>>>>>>> argumentative >>>>>>>>>>> exchange. Those who could or would not operate on this basis got >>>>>>>>>>> banned or >>>>>>>>>>> when in doubt they get ridiculed, bullied ,and ignored. The >>>>>>>>>>> representatives >>>>>>>>>>> of this system and how they themselves have defined their role as >>>>>>>>>>> group >>>>>>>>>>> moderators has ever since reminded me of the God of the Old >>>>>>>>>>> Testament in my >>>>>>>>>>> children's bible. Non-transparent execution of power over childlike >>>>>>>>>>> members. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I soon began to draw connections from the strange habitus of the >>>>>>>>>>> performers in power to the belief systems under discussion here. >>>>>>>>>>> Except for >>>>>>>>>>> the two eccentric British "cousins" all power performers and >>>>>>>>>>> performers in >>>>>>>>>>> power were Americans from what I remember. No matter what kind of >>>>>>>>>>> God >>>>>>>>>>> concept they proposed, they all had this transcending notion in >>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>> appeal . It felt like the American myth is in constant need of >>>>>>>>>>> feeding >>>>>>>>>>> itself with a self-perpetuating self-pride through a permanent >>>>>>>>>>> celebration >>>>>>>>>>> of liberating one's own liberty from any sort of dependency. >>>>>>>>>>> Fighting >>>>>>>>>>> everything that does not fit in that frame. I felt no >>>>>>>>>>> responsibility, no >>>>>>>>>>> remorse, no historical conscience for their genocide of their First >>>>>>>>>>> Nations >>>>>>>>>>> and for their Slave history, no awareness for possibly having been >>>>>>>>>>> a thorn >>>>>>>>>>> in the flesh of somebody else. Nada. Not meant to be there. >>>>>>>>>>> Hypocrisy >>>>>>>>>>> instead. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I think and hope that I have more or less made my peace with >>>>>>>>>>> God's imprint on the Americans. "We hold these truths to be >>>>>>>>>>> self-evident, >>>>>>>>>>> that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their >>>>>>>>>>> Creator with >>>>>>>>>>> certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> pursuit of Happiness." I take it the pursuit of Happiness was the >>>>>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>>>> indicator for transcendental sunshine demand when declaring one's >>>>>>>>>>> independence from the old continent. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So, yes, the time is now. 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