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Presented knowing you will enjoy. On Thursday, March 19, 2015 at 10:21:24 AM UTC, Gabby wrote: > > Oops, of course I meant to tell you so you don't feel hurt. Double twisted > loops thinking in not negating what isn't being meant to said.. > > Am Donnerstag, 19. März 2015 schrieb Gabby Thiede : > >> Hm, I don't know how how to tell you so you understand and feel hurt. >> This topic thread was about me and not about you. >> >> My words are my words in my context. They are simple enough to not need >> replacement by your words. I mean what I mean and don't need overwriting. >> >> Last night on the underground I listened to a drugged homeless proudly >> singing his own rhymes to the Fugees song "ready or not here I come". He >> brought the four strangers sitting together to non-verbally communicating >> and negotiating with each other. Three were giving him money and the fourth >> was pleased to see us doing it. Then each went their own ways. >> >> This thread was about me and what I have learned. >> >> Am Donnerstag, 19. März 2015 schrieb archytas : >> >>> Couldn't resist thinking that one could replace 'Jew' with 'American' in >>> this from Marx: >>> >>> 'Every emancipation is a restoration of the human world and of human >>> relationships to a man himself. >>> Very well then! Emancipation from huckstering and money, consequently >>> from practical, real Judaism, would be the self-emancipation of our time. >>> An organization of society [such as communism] which would abolish the >>> preconditions for huckstering, and therefore the possibility of >>> huckstering, would make [this] Jew impossible. His religious consciousness >>> would be dissipated like a thin haze in the real, vital air of society. On >>> the other hand, if the Jew recognizes that this practical nature of his is >>> futile and works to abolish it, he extricates himself from his previous >>> development and works for human emancipation as such and turns against the >>> supreme practical expression of human self-estrangement.' >>> >>> Very anti-Semitic in current material conditions. >>> >>> On Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 8:48:47 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >>>> >>>> Imp is an odd word. It's what the old women used to call us when we >>>> were running away from something we hadn't done, and a brand of chimney >>>> cleaner you got to throw on the fire to set fire to the soot. The other >>>> brand was called Puck, but Imp was the one that brought the fire brigade. >>>> I was a very good little boy, making up for your lack of enthusiasm for >>>> good girlness. Fortunately, I had an evil big sister who loved me dearly, >>>> so there was always someone around to prank who could see through my act. >>>> Not that I called you Imp - I am not Screwtape. To think we once had a >>>> newspaper with such tales in (Manchester Guardian). Thank you for the >>>> returned love. I shall have it preserved, as the jam-makers say. >>>> >>>> I loitered too long trying to make business studies interesting and >>>> less soul-destroying (I doubt many have done experiments in fume cupboards >>>> teaching industrial relations and then taken their class down a mine).but >>>> my health couldn't stand the bugs international classes carry. Everyone >>>> thought I'd run off with a young Polish woman, but really she was older >>>> than me, the name Ukrainian and she was a policeman's daughter from >>>> Oldham. Confusion is easy. I appreciate you would tell me if you >>>> did seeing as you must be at least half the internet. Thank heavens for >>>> the German sense of humour, we might say. Living, as we were told today, >>>> in prosperous yet facing even greater austerity Britain, with 5% more GDP >>>> thanks to hookers and blow revisions, one would think we wouldn't need a >>>> laugh, but then you Germans now export everything to our rapidly expanding >>>> economy. >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 6:09:15 PM UTC, Gabby wrote: >>>>> >>>>> What can I do but return the love to you?! I am reminded of an old >>>>> screen name I used to have somewhere else when you call me imp - >>>>> homuncula. >>>>> I guess you like it. And no, I never wanted to become the good girl you >>>>> say >>>>> I would have liked to be, the very idea makes me feel guilty of what I >>>>> have >>>>> done to have left that impression. Sorry to have caused a confusion here. >>>>> I >>>>> don't know how to get you to people who understand what you are doing or >>>>> could be doing. I would tell you if I knew. >>>>> >>>>> Am Mittwoch, 18. März 2015 schrieb archytas : >>>>> >>>>>> No doubt we proceed by transference and its counter in our new >>>>>> co-counselling manoeuvres. It is often difficult to proceed when >>>>>> someone >>>>>> takes one's admission that one doesn't really know when WW1 and WW2 or >>>>>> the >>>>>> one in Africa that is ongoing and invisible is merely that one doesn't >>>>>> know >>>>>> the terms 1914 and 1939. It is true some of our American cousins (for >>>>>> even >>>>>> you and I are in the 'family porridge').thought free trade and >>>>>> self-reliance a kind of god and a health service for all the work of the >>>>>> Devil. And that some of them mistake a quasi-orgasmic >>>>>> selfish-rationalisation by these means with the spiritual world. >>>>>> Perhaps >>>>>> you would be more comfortable in Allan's excellent private email group >>>>>> he >>>>>> advertises in here without compunction? Or watching the excellent NCIS >>>>>> and >>>>>> various other forms of the all-encompassing American excellence of >>>>>> excellence not even excellent in its own terms 30 years after we slow >>>>>> Europeans get round to teaching it, not realising *In Search of >>>>>> Excellence *was a copy of a British report into good secondary >>>>>> schools that could be deflated with a quick trip to a German one. Sorry >>>>>> to >>>>>> be so serious when you are not as happy as you might be. You have >>>>>> always >>>>>> sensed I need a different audience and were always right on this. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am unclear how you have turned :-) into Bart Simpson's 'eat my >>>>>> shorts', but American colonialism is more subtle than our crude >>>>>> commie-green constructs can handle. Resistance often has to be banal >>>>>> and >>>>>> symbolic. I can, in deep introspective, see the light coming from >>>>>> whence >>>>>> the sun does not shine and rework through that stunning emotion. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is therapy that recognises trauma as part of recognising >>>>>> reality and we do seem equipped to shift brain blood flows to rapture >>>>>> and >>>>>> bliss once purified and developed not to need the drug users >>>>>> paraphernalia >>>>>> - a Greek term of that property of a women not subsumed by the male in >>>>>> marriage husbandry. You can be assured I care, and know a hundred logics >>>>>> of >>>>>> caring that isn't if caught not caring. Trust is a poison cure and >>>>>> though >>>>>> we have language terms that sound clever in Greek, hinting that one is >>>>>> read >>>>>> in the Athenian Enlightenment of a city of 400,000 with 250,000 slaves >>>>>> and >>>>>> not much for a woman to look forward to other than be allowed out after >>>>>> 60 >>>>>> to the funerals of friends, language itself remains unaware of the >>>>>> dispositions of its materialisation. This is why I advocate the >>>>>> spreadsheet and database as other than accounting practice. Two decent >>>>>> adding machines would be more use to a free society than all of banking, >>>>>> economics and the politics of the rubber-masked aliens running the show. >>>>>> I >>>>>> don't know if you have ever read any AI, but it is very like anything >>>>>> you >>>>>> have learned in the linguistic game and your brilliant turn to AL with >>>>>> the >>>>>> capital 'i'. It is worth 'putting up with you', a compliment I have >>>>>> detuned in fear of the great rebuke of your kindly 'piss off outta here >>>>>> Neil' deconstructive repetitions and wit. >>>>>> >>>>>> It is still possible to relate other than through mannered language >>>>>> and its slogans. I remain soppy enough to offer to 'hold hands', though >>>>>> know my dogs' love is reliant on their lack of opposed thumbs in a world >>>>>> of >>>>>> tins. I would say we both know what it is to be let down by promises. >>>>>> It's Budget Day here and I feel very let down. The idea as a kid seemed >>>>>> to >>>>>> be that a bit of knuckling down to 'mustn't grumble' (darf nicht murren >>>>>> doesn't get this - do you have better?) would produce a decent society >>>>>> across the globe. as we worked together to cope with a coming ice age >>>>>> and >>>>>> find romantic love and peace. Life would be good as a cog in this >>>>>> Kantian >>>>>> wheel. We had won the war to end all wars that created the next one, >>>>>> which >>>>>> we won in order to fight the ally we weren't told had really won it, >>>>>> whilst >>>>>> we tried to steal the Middle East back with the French, stopped only by >>>>>> the >>>>>> American democratic god that had enough money to do the takeover as >>>>>> everyone else was bankrupt. My part in this peace was to become >>>>>> democratic >>>>>> like an American with the great freedoms my spur, whilst somehow >>>>>> preparing >>>>>> for this peace by being ready to kill interfering Germans and Japanese. >>>>>> >>>>>> To discover this wasn't the world I was living in was something of a >>>>>> shock. One wonders now how they taught us such a concealment of the >>>>>> truth >>>>>> and prepared us for trauma on discovering any. Social insects use trauma >>>>>> in >>>>>> consensus building. We use the techniques of the American god of >>>>>> Hopeless >>>>>> Sunshine. My logic is science, which works by concealing that it is >>>>>> barely >>>>>> logical at all until written up for public consumption. What you need >>>>>> to >>>>>> become a mystic is a past invention like Socrates, an original invention >>>>>> copied from travellers' tales East, so heroic and more good looking >>>>>> than >>>>>> you that he was a saint in his own time, revered by all of good sense, >>>>>> in >>>>>> order to interpolate through him (her being in fashion) the great vision >>>>>> you invented from an old copy of an ancient text translated ten times >>>>>> and >>>>>> itself written 60 years after the miracles everyone at the time was too >>>>>> busy to give contemporaneous account of. You know this drift Gabby and >>>>>> it >>>>>> makes it tough to be the good girl you wish you'd been born of and is >>>>>> actually the kind of person I cross the street to avoid. Well you have >>>>>> to >>>>>> avoid them. Their eyes are so upturned to the American god and not >>>>>> getting >>>>>> caught in pass-the-parcel without the box of dollars they intend to run >>>>>> off >>>>>> with when the music stops, they never notice who they step on. >>>>>> >>>>>> They mostly weren't in here though. I'd like to hear more and >>>>>> different - though I can break up even this sentence in various contexts >>>>>> including receptions and my own intent-receptions-repetitions. >>>>>> Burke and Hare is good on hypocrisy and so is the holy genuflection of a >>>>>> Tibetan monk, all adulatory eyes like a good whore (a one-legged one >>>>>> saved >>>>>> my life if you remember) to his Chinese appointed Lama. Rapturous >>>>>> adulation can be faked as easily as men and women manage biological >>>>>> ecstasy. Tough old world. I like the story that William Blake had his >>>>>> 'visions' in a lifelong pursuit of the rise he got taking the St Michael >>>>>> out of pretentious gawps. Uncle Screwtape passes on his love to his >>>>>> dearest un-American imp. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 9:27:47 AM UTC, Gabby wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Heyo Neil, thanks for sharing, I take it as caring. Not my logic >>>>>>> though. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am not as happy as I could be in this group here is what I thought >>>>>>> I had tried to communicate for quite some time. I have summed up my >>>>>>> reasoning to construct a reasonable narrative for myself and also to >>>>>>> give >>>>>>> you a reason to know why you were right with your set up. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Happy sunshine everywhere. :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2015-03-18 2:11 GMT+01:00 archytas <[email protected]>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Who would we not be apologising to? >>>>>>>> http://listverse.com/2014/02/04/10-evil-crimes-of-the-britis >>>>>>>> h-empire/ >>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herero_and_Namaqua_Genocide >>>>>>>> http://med-slavery.uni-trier.de/minev/MedSlavery/Members/ste >>>>>>>> llo/bibliobits/articlereference.2007-07-27.3233996517 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As a kid Gabby, I imagined the Royal Navy at sea to prevent the >>>>>>>> drugs trade in the Opium Wars, not support the trade. We are all had >>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>> nationalism. Few of us grow out of it. I guess 'Israel' will not >>>>>>>> take >>>>>>>> keenly to being reminded that all 2000 of Istanbul's Slavers' Club >>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>> Jews. You know what Germans can be reminded of. Where is the moral >>>>>>>> hill >>>>>>>> for your sermon on the mount? It is not unwelcome, but it is shrill, >>>>>>>> boring and unknowledgeable - whereas you are not. What now then? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 11:18:05 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Welcome back Gabby. Have you had a mystic experience? We seem to >>>>>>>>> be short of them in another thread on mystics. Unlike your old >>>>>>>>> themes they >>>>>>>>> seem to have been quickly forgotten. I see you have been 'reading >>>>>>>>> up' on >>>>>>>>> US hatestory. Alex Blum is good too. Of course, in 1861 when the >>>>>>>>> old >>>>>>>>> countries were imperialising and drug trafficking, we did mean to >>>>>>>>> join the >>>>>>>>> Confederates. The American mistake, by one vote, was not speaking >>>>>>>>> the more >>>>>>>>> peaceful German of the royalty you exported to us and the Russians so >>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>> could have a good old family squabble, or two. We might blame the >>>>>>>>> Dutch, >>>>>>>>> but then Allan has been placed amongst them. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Have you read the history of the slaving in Europe and around the >>>>>>>>> Black Sea? One hears remarkably little contrition on this account >>>>>>>>> either. >>>>>>>>> What to do then? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 10:07:47 PM UTC, Gabby wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Right, here goes my lessons learned article… >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have come to the conclusion that the American God varies >>>>>>>>>> largely from the German God. Let me explain how I have arrived at >>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>> point. Before I came to this group here I have always thought that >>>>>>>>>> God was >>>>>>>>>> sort of a universal concept for anything that was not something. >>>>>>>>>> Here I >>>>>>>>>> became introduced to the idea that everything had to be determined >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> defined properly to be valid and to become accessible for an >>>>>>>>>> argumentative >>>>>>>>>> exchange. Those who could or would not operate on this basis got >>>>>>>>>> banned or >>>>>>>>>> when in doubt they get ridiculed, bullied ,and ignored. The >>>>>>>>>> representatives >>>>>>>>>> of this system and how they themselves have defined their role as >>>>>>>>>> group >>>>>>>>>> moderators has ever since reminded me of the God of the Old >>>>>>>>>> Testament in my >>>>>>>>>> children's bible. Non-transparent execution of power over childlike >>>>>>>>>> members. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I soon began to draw connections from the strange habitus of the >>>>>>>>>> performers in power to the belief systems under discussion here. >>>>>>>>>> Except for >>>>>>>>>> the two eccentric British "cousins" all power performers and >>>>>>>>>> performers in >>>>>>>>>> power were Americans from what I remember. No matter what kind of >>>>>>>>>> God >>>>>>>>>> concept they proposed, they all had this transcending notion in >>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>> appeal . It felt like the American myth is in constant need of >>>>>>>>>> feeding >>>>>>>>>> itself with a self-perpetuating self-pride through a permanent >>>>>>>>>> celebration >>>>>>>>>> of liberating one's own liberty from any sort of dependency. >>>>>>>>>> Fighting >>>>>>>>>> everything that does not fit in that frame. I felt no >>>>>>>>>> responsibility, no >>>>>>>>>> remorse, no historical conscience for their genocide of their First >>>>>>>>>> Nations >>>>>>>>>> and for their Slave history, no awareness for possibly having been a >>>>>>>>>> thorn >>>>>>>>>> in the flesh of somebody else. Nada. Not meant to be there. >>>>>>>>>> Hypocrisy >>>>>>>>>> instead. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think and hope that I have more or less made my peace with >>>>>>>>>> God's imprint on the Americans. "We hold these truths to be >>>>>>>>>> self-evident, >>>>>>>>>> that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their >>>>>>>>>> Creator with >>>>>>>>>> certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> pursuit of Happiness." I take it the pursuit of Happiness was the >>>>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>>> indicator for transcendental sunshine demand when declaring one's >>>>>>>>>> independence from the old continent. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So, yes, the time is now. 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