It is good for you that you are American. I don' t expect you to understand anything I have talked about.
2015-03-19 9:04 GMT+01:00 <[email protected]>: > The thread is interesting and am reading.. it is good to see you growing. > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gabby Thiede <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Sent: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 8:55 AM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: The American God > > Hm, I don't know how how to tell you so you understand and feel hurt. This > topic thread was about me and not about you. > > My words are my words in my context. They are simple enough to not need > replacement by your words. I mean what I mean and don't need overwriting. > > Last night on the underground I listened to a drugged homeless proudly > singing his own rhymes to the Fugees song "ready or not here I come". He > brought the four strangers sitting together to non-verbally communicating > and negotiating with each other. Three were giving him money and the fourth > was pleased to see us doing it. Then each went their own ways. > > This thread was about me and what I have learned. > > Am Donnerstag, 19. März 2015 schrieb archytas : > >> Couldn't resist thinking that one could replace 'Jew' with 'American' in >> this from Marx: >> >> 'Every emancipation is a restoration of the human world and of human >> relationships to a man himself. >> Very well then! Emancipation from huckstering and money, consequently >> from practical, real Judaism, would be the self-emancipation of our time. >> An organization of society [such as communism] which would abolish the >> preconditions for huckstering, and therefore the possibility of >> huckstering, would make [this] Jew impossible. His religious consciousness >> would be dissipated like a thin haze in the real, vital air of society. On >> the other hand, if the Jew recognizes that this practical nature of his is >> futile and works to abolish it, he extricates himself from his previous >> development and works for human emancipation as such and turns against the >> supreme practical expression of human self-estrangement.' >> >> Very anti-Semitic in current material conditions. >> >> On Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 8:48:47 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >>> >>> Imp is an odd word. It's what the old women used to call us when we >>> were running away from something we hadn't done, and a brand of chimney >>> cleaner you got to throw on the fire to set fire to the soot. The other >>> brand was called Puck, but Imp was the one that brought the fire brigade. >>> I was a very good little boy, making up for your lack of enthusiasm for >>> good girlness. Fortunately, I had an evil big sister who loved me dearly, >>> so there was always someone around to prank who could see through my act. >>> Not that I called you Imp - I am not Screwtape. To think we once had a >>> newspaper with such tales in (Manchester Guardian). Thank you for the >>> returned love. I shall have it preserved, as the jam-makers say. >>> >>> I loitered too long trying to make business studies interesting and less >>> soul-destroying (I doubt many have done experiments in fume cupboards >>> teaching industrial relations and then taken their class down a mine).but >>> my health couldn't stand the bugs international classes carry. Everyone >>> thought I'd run off with a young Polish woman, but really she was older >>> than me, the name Ukrainian and she was a policeman's daughter from >>> Oldham. Confusion is easy. I appreciate you would tell me if you >>> did seeing as you must be at least half the internet. Thank heavens for >>> the German sense of humour, we might say. Living, as we were told today, >>> in prosperous yet facing even greater austerity Britain, with 5% more GDP >>> thanks to hookers and blow revisions, one would think we wouldn't need a >>> laugh, but then you Germans now export everything to our rapidly expanding >>> economy. >>> >>> On Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 6:09:15 PM UTC, Gabby wrote: >>>> >>>> What can I do but return the love to you?! I am reminded of an old >>>> screen name I used to have somewhere else when you call me imp - homuncula. >>>> I guess you like it. And no, I never wanted to become the good girl you say >>>> I would have liked to be, the very idea makes me feel guilty of what I have >>>> done to have left that impression. Sorry to have caused a confusion here. I >>>> don't know how to get you to people who understand what you are doing or >>>> could be doing. I would tell you if I knew. >>>> >>>> Am Mittwoch, 18. März 2015 schrieb archytas : >>>> >>>>> No doubt we proceed by transference and its counter in our new >>>>> co-counselling manoeuvres. It is often difficult to proceed when someone >>>>> takes one's admission that one doesn't really know when WW1 and WW2 or the >>>>> one in Africa that is ongoing and invisible is merely that one doesn't >>>>> know >>>>> the terms 1914 and 1939. It is true some of our American cousins (for >>>>> even >>>>> you and I are in the 'family porridge').thought free trade and >>>>> self-reliance a kind of god and a health service for all the work of the >>>>> Devil. And that some of them mistake a quasi-orgasmic >>>>> selfish-rationalisation by these means with the spiritual world. Perhaps >>>>> you would be more comfortable in Allan's excellent private email group he >>>>> advertises in here without compunction? Or watching the excellent NCIS >>>>> and >>>>> various other forms of the all-encompassing American excellence of >>>>> excellence not even excellent in its own terms 30 years after we slow >>>>> Europeans get round to teaching it, not realising *In Search of >>>>> Excellence *was a copy of a British report into good secondary >>>>> schools that could be deflated with a quick trip to a German one. Sorry >>>>> to >>>>> be so serious when you are not as happy as you might be. You have always >>>>> sensed I need a different audience and were always right on this. >>>>> >>>>> I am unclear how you have turned :-) into Bart Simpson's 'eat my >>>>> shorts', but American colonialism is more subtle than our crude >>>>> commie-green constructs can handle. Resistance often has to be banal and >>>>> symbolic. I can, in deep introspective, see the light coming from whence >>>>> the sun does not shine and rework through that stunning emotion. >>>>> >>>>> There is therapy that recognises trauma as part of recognising >>>>> reality and we do seem equipped to shift brain blood flows to rapture and >>>>> bliss once purified and developed not to need the drug users paraphernalia >>>>> - a Greek term of that property of a women not subsumed by the male in >>>>> marriage husbandry. You can be assured I care, and know a hundred logics >>>>> of >>>>> caring that isn't if caught not caring. Trust is a poison cure and though >>>>> we have language terms that sound clever in Greek, hinting that one is >>>>> read >>>>> in the Athenian Enlightenment of a city of 400,000 with 250,000 slaves and >>>>> not much for a woman to look forward to other than be allowed out after 60 >>>>> to the funerals of friends, language itself remains unaware of the >>>>> dispositions of its materialisation. This is why I advocate the >>>>> spreadsheet and database as other than accounting practice. Two decent >>>>> adding machines would be more use to a free society than all of banking, >>>>> economics and the politics of the rubber-masked aliens running the show. >>>>> I >>>>> don't know if you have ever read any AI, but it is very like anything you >>>>> have learned in the linguistic game and your brilliant turn to AL with the >>>>> capital 'i'. It is worth 'putting up with you', a compliment I have >>>>> detuned in fear of the great rebuke of your kindly 'piss off outta here >>>>> Neil' deconstructive repetitions and wit. >>>>> >>>>> It is still possible to relate other than through mannered language >>>>> and its slogans. I remain soppy enough to offer to 'hold hands', though >>>>> know my dogs' love is reliant on their lack of opposed thumbs in a world >>>>> of >>>>> tins. I would say we both know what it is to be let down by promises. >>>>> It's Budget Day here and I feel very let down. The idea as a kid seemed >>>>> to >>>>> be that a bit of knuckling down to 'mustn't grumble' (darf nicht murren >>>>> doesn't get this - do you have better?) would produce a decent society >>>>> across the globe. as we worked together to cope with a coming ice age and >>>>> find romantic love and peace. Life would be good as a cog in this Kantian >>>>> wheel. We had won the war to end all wars that created the next one, >>>>> which >>>>> we won in order to fight the ally we weren't told had really won it, >>>>> whilst >>>>> we tried to steal the Middle East back with the French, stopped only by >>>>> the >>>>> American democratic god that had enough money to do the takeover as >>>>> everyone else was bankrupt. My part in this peace was to become >>>>> democratic >>>>> like an American with the great freedoms my spur, whilst somehow preparing >>>>> for this peace by being ready to kill interfering Germans and Japanese. >>>>> >>>>> To discover this wasn't the world I was living in was something of a >>>>> shock. One wonders now how they taught us such a concealment of the truth >>>>> and prepared us for trauma on discovering any. Social insects use trauma >>>>> in >>>>> consensus building. We use the techniques of the American god of Hopeless >>>>> Sunshine. My logic is science, which works by concealing that it is >>>>> barely >>>>> logical at all until written up for public consumption. What you need to >>>>> become a mystic is a past invention like Socrates, an original invention >>>>> copied from travellers' tales East, so heroic and more good looking than >>>>> you that he was a saint in his own time, revered by all of good sense, in >>>>> order to interpolate through him (her being in fashion) the great vision >>>>> you invented from an old copy of an ancient text translated ten times and >>>>> itself written 60 years after the miracles everyone at the time was too >>>>> busy to give contemporaneous account of. You know this drift Gabby and it >>>>> makes it tough to be the good girl you wish you'd been born of and is >>>>> actually the kind of person I cross the street to avoid. Well you have to >>>>> avoid them. Their eyes are so upturned to the American god and not >>>>> getting >>>>> caught in pass-the-parcel without the box of dollars they intend to run >>>>> off >>>>> with when the music stops, they never notice who they step on. >>>>> >>>>> They mostly weren't in here though. I'd like to hear more and >>>>> different - though I can break up even this sentence in various contexts >>>>> including receptions and my own intent-receptions-repetitions. Burke >>>>> and Hare is good on hypocrisy and so is the holy genuflection of a Tibetan >>>>> monk, all adulatory eyes like a good whore (a one-legged one saved my life >>>>> if you remember) to his Chinese appointed Lama. Rapturous adulation can >>>>> be >>>>> faked as easily as men and women manage biological ecstasy. Tough old >>>>> world. I like the story that William Blake had his 'visions' in a >>>>> lifelong >>>>> pursuit of the rise he got taking the St Michael out of pretentious gawps. >>>>> Uncle Screwtape passes on his love to his dearest un-American imp. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 9:27:47 AM UTC, Gabby wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Heyo Neil, thanks for sharing, I take it as caring. Not my logic >>>>>> though. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am not as happy as I could be in this group here is what I thought >>>>>> I had tried to communicate for quite some time. I have summed up my >>>>>> reasoning to construct a reasonable narrative for myself and also to give >>>>>> you a reason to know why you were right with your set up. >>>>>> >>>>>> Happy sunshine everywhere. :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2015-03-18 2:11 GMT+01:00 archytas <[email protected]>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Who would we not be apologising to? >>>>>>> http://listverse.com/2014/02/04/10-evil-crimes-of-the-britis >>>>>>> h-empire/ >>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herero_and_Namaqua_Genocide >>>>>>> http://med-slavery.uni-trier.de/minev/MedSlavery/Members/ste >>>>>>> llo/bibliobits/articlereference.2007-07-27.3233996517 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As a kid Gabby, I imagined the Royal Navy at sea to prevent the >>>>>>> drugs trade in the Opium Wars, not support the trade. We are all had by >>>>>>> nationalism. Few of us grow out of it. I guess 'Israel' will not take >>>>>>> keenly to being reminded that all 2000 of Istanbul's Slavers' Club were >>>>>>> Jews. You know what Germans can be reminded of. Where is the moral >>>>>>> hill >>>>>>> for your sermon on the mount? It is not unwelcome, but it is shrill, >>>>>>> boring and unknowledgeable - whereas you are not. What now then? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 11:18:05 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Welcome back Gabby. Have you had a mystic experience? We seem to >>>>>>>> be short of them in another thread on mystics. Unlike your old themes >>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>> seem to have been quickly forgotten. I see you have been 'reading up' >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> US hatestory. Alex Blum is good too. Of course, in 1861 when the old >>>>>>>> countries were imperialising and drug trafficking, we did mean to join >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Confederates. The American mistake, by one vote, was not speaking the >>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>> peaceful German of the royalty you exported to us and the Russians so >>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>> could have a good old family squabble, or two. We might blame the >>>>>>>> Dutch, >>>>>>>> but then Allan has been placed amongst them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Have you read the history of the slaving in Europe and around the >>>>>>>> Black Sea? One hears remarkably little contrition on this account >>>>>>>> either. >>>>>>>> What to do then? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 10:07:47 PM UTC, Gabby wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Right, here goes my lessons learned article… >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have come to the conclusion that the American God varies largely >>>>>>>>> from the German God. Let me explain how I have arrived at this point. >>>>>>>>> Before I came to this group here I have always thought that God was >>>>>>>>> sort of >>>>>>>>> a universal concept for anything that was not something. Here I became >>>>>>>>> introduced to the idea that everything had to be determined and >>>>>>>>> defined >>>>>>>>> properly to be valid and to become accessible for an argumentative >>>>>>>>> exchange. Those who could or would not operate on this basis got >>>>>>>>> banned or >>>>>>>>> when in doubt they get ridiculed, bullied ,and ignored. The >>>>>>>>> representatives >>>>>>>>> of this system and how they themselves have defined their role as >>>>>>>>> group >>>>>>>>> moderators has ever since reminded me of the God of the Old Testament >>>>>>>>> in my >>>>>>>>> children's bible. Non-transparent execution of power over childlike >>>>>>>>> members. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I soon began to draw connections from the strange habitus of the >>>>>>>>> performers in power to the belief systems under discussion here. >>>>>>>>> Except for >>>>>>>>> the two eccentric British "cousins" all power performers and >>>>>>>>> performers in >>>>>>>>> power were Americans from what I remember. No matter what kind of God >>>>>>>>> concept they proposed, they all had this transcending notion in their >>>>>>>>> appeal . It felt like the American myth is in constant need of feeding >>>>>>>>> itself with a self-perpetuating self-pride through a permanent >>>>>>>>> celebration >>>>>>>>> of liberating one's own liberty from any sort of dependency. Fighting >>>>>>>>> everything that does not fit in that frame. I felt no responsibility, >>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>> remorse, no historical conscience for their genocide of their First >>>>>>>>> Nations >>>>>>>>> and for their Slave history, no awareness for possibly having been a >>>>>>>>> thorn >>>>>>>>> in the flesh of somebody else. Nada. Not meant to be there. Hypocrisy >>>>>>>>> instead. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think and hope that I have more or less made my peace with God's >>>>>>>>> imprint on the Americans. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with >>>>>>>>> certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the >>>>>>>>> pursuit of Happiness." I take it the pursuit of Happiness was the >>>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>> indicator for transcendental sunshine demand when declaring one's >>>>>>>>> independence from the old continent. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, yes, the time is now. 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