The thread is interesting and am reading.. it is good to see you growing. تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
-----Original Message----- From: Gabby Thiede <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 8:55 AM Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: The American God Hm, I don't know how how to tell you so you understand and feel hurt. This topic thread was about me and not about you. My words are my words in my context. They are simple enough to not need replacement by your words. I mean what I mean and don't need overwriting. Last night on the underground I listened to a drugged homeless proudly singing his own rhymes to the Fugees song "ready or not here I come". He brought the four strangers sitting together to non-verbally communicating and negotiating with each other. Three were giving him money and the fourth was pleased to see us doing it. Then each went their own ways. This thread was about me and what I have learned. Am Donnerstag, 19. März 2015 schrieb archytas : > Couldn't resist thinking that one could replace 'Jew' with 'American' in > this from Marx: > > 'Every emancipation is a restoration of the human world and of human > relationships to a man himself. > Very well then! Emancipation from huckstering and money, consequently from > practical, real Judaism, would be the self-emancipation of our time. An > organization of society [such as communism] which would abolish the > preconditions for huckstering, and therefore the possibility of > huckstering, would make [this] Jew impossible. His religious consciousness > would be dissipated like a thin haze in the real, vital air of society. On > the other hand, if the Jew recognizes that this practical nature of his is > futile and works to abolish it, he extricates himself from his previous > development and works for human emancipation as such and turns against the > supreme practical expression of human self-estrangement.' > > Very anti-Semitic in current material conditions. > > On Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 8:48:47 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >> >> Imp is an odd word. It's what the old women used to call us when we were >> running away from something we hadn't done, and a brand of chimney cleaner >> you got to throw on the fire to set fire to the soot. The other brand was >> called Puck, but Imp was the one that brought the fire brigade. I was a >> very good little boy, making up for your lack of enthusiasm for good >> girlness. Fortunately, I had an evil big sister who loved me dearly, so >> there was always someone around to prank who could see through my act. Not >> that I called you Imp - I am not Screwtape. To think we once had a >> newspaper with such tales in (Manchester Guardian). Thank you for the >> returned love. I shall have it preserved, as the jam-makers say. >> >> I loitered too long trying to make business studies interesting and less >> soul-destroying (I doubt many have done experiments in fume cupboards >> teaching industrial relations and then taken their class down a mine).but >> my health couldn't stand the bugs international classes carry. Everyone >> thought I'd run off with a young Polish woman, but really she was older >> than me, the name Ukrainian and she was a policeman's daughter from >> Oldham. Confusion is easy. I appreciate you would tell me if you >> did seeing as you must be at least half the internet. Thank heavens for >> the German sense of humour, we might say. Living, as we were told today, >> in prosperous yet facing even greater austerity Britain, with 5% more GDP >> thanks to hookers and blow revisions, one would think we wouldn't need a >> laugh, but then you Germans now export everything to our rapidly expanding >> economy. >> >> On Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 6:09:15 PM UTC, Gabby wrote: >>> >>> What can I do but return the love to you?! I am reminded of an old >>> screen name I used to have somewhere else when you call me imp - homuncula. >>> I guess you like it. And no, I never wanted to become the good girl you say >>> I would have liked to be, the very idea makes me feel guilty of what I have >>> done to have left that impression. Sorry to have caused a confusion here. I >>> don't know how to get you to people who understand what you are doing or >>> could be doing. I would tell you if I knew. >>> >>> Am Mittwoch, 18. März 2015 schrieb archytas : >>> >>>> No doubt we proceed by transference and its counter in our new >>>> co-counselling manoeuvres. It is often difficult to proceed when someone >>>> takes one's admission that one doesn't really know when WW1 and WW2 or the >>>> one in Africa that is ongoing and invisible is merely that one doesn't know >>>> the terms 1914 and 1939. It is true some of our American cousins (for even >>>> you and I are in the 'family porridge').thought free trade and >>>> self-reliance a kind of god and a health service for all the work of the >>>> Devil. And that some of them mistake a quasi-orgasmic >>>> selfish-rationalisation by these means with the spiritual world. Perhaps >>>> you would be more comfortable in Allan's excellent private email group he >>>> advertises in here without compunction? Or watching the excellent NCIS and >>>> various other forms of the all-encompassing American excellence of >>>> excellence not even excellent in its own terms 30 years after we slow >>>> Europeans get round to teaching it, not realising *In Search of >>>> Excellence *was a copy of a British report into good secondary schools >>>> that could be deflated with a quick trip to a German one. Sorry to be so >>>> serious when you are not as happy as you might be. You have always sensed >>>> I need a different audience and were always right on this. >>>> >>>> I am unclear how you have turned :-) into Bart Simpson's 'eat my >>>> shorts', but American colonialism is more subtle than our crude >>>> commie-green constructs can handle. Resistance often has to be banal and >>>> symbolic. I can, in deep introspective, see the light coming from whence >>>> the sun does not shine and rework through that stunning emotion. >>>> >>>> There is therapy that recognises trauma as part of recognising reality >>>> and we do seem equipped to shift brain blood flows to rapture and bliss >>>> once purified and developed not to need the drug users paraphernalia - a >>>> Greek term of that property of a women not subsumed by the male in marriage >>>> husbandry. You can be assured I care, and know a hundred logics of caring >>>> that isn't if caught not caring. Trust is a poison cure and though we have >>>> language terms that sound clever in Greek, hinting that one is read in the >>>> Athenian Enlightenment of a city of 400,000 with 250,000 slaves and not >>>> much for a woman to look forward to other than be allowed out after 60 to >>>> the funerals of friends, language itself remains unaware of the >>>> dispositions of its materialisation. This is why I advocate the >>>> spreadsheet and database as other than accounting practice. Two decent >>>> adding machines would be more use to a free society than all of banking, >>>> economics and the politics of the rubber-masked aliens running the show. I >>>> don't know if you have ever read any AI, but it is very like anything you >>>> have learned in the linguistic game and your brilliant turn to AL with the >>>> capital 'i'. It is worth 'putting up with you', a compliment I have >>>> detuned in fear of the great rebuke of your kindly 'piss off outta here >>>> Neil' deconstructive repetitions and wit. >>>> >>>> It is still possible to relate other than through mannered language and >>>> its slogans. I remain soppy enough to offer to 'hold hands', though know >>>> my dogs' love is reliant on their lack of opposed thumbs in a world of >>>> tins. I would say we both know what it is to be let down by promises. >>>> It's Budget Day here and I feel very let down. The idea as a kid seemed to >>>> be that a bit of knuckling down to 'mustn't grumble' (darf nicht murren >>>> doesn't get this - do you have better?) would produce a decent society >>>> across the globe. as we worked together to cope with a coming ice age and >>>> find romantic love and peace. Life would be good as a cog in this Kantian >>>> wheel. We had won the war to end all wars that created the next one, which >>>> we won in order to fight the ally we weren't told had really won it, whilst >>>> we tried to steal the Middle East back with the French, stopped only by the >>>> American democratic god that had enough money to do the takeover as >>>> everyone else was bankrupt. My part in this peace was to become democratic >>>> like an American with the great freedoms my spur, whilst somehow preparing >>>> for this peace by being ready to kill interfering Germans and Japanese. >>>> >>>> To discover this wasn't the world I was living in was something of a >>>> shock. One wonders now how they taught us such a concealment of the truth >>>> and prepared us for trauma on discovering any. Social insects use trauma in >>>> consensus building. We use the techniques of the American god of Hopeless >>>> Sunshine. My logic is science, which works by concealing that it is barely >>>> logical at all until written up for public consumption. What you need to >>>> become a mystic is a past invention like Socrates, an original invention >>>> copied from travellers' tales East, so heroic and more good looking than >>>> you that he was a saint in his own time, revered by all of good sense, in >>>> order to interpolate through him (her being in fashion) the great vision >>>> you invented from an old copy of an ancient text translated ten times and >>>> itself written 60 years after the miracles everyone at the time was too >>>> busy to give contemporaneous account of. You know this drift Gabby and it >>>> makes it tough to be the good girl you wish you'd been born of and is >>>> actually the kind of person I cross the street to avoid. Well you have to >>>> avoid them. Their eyes are so upturned to the American god and not getting >>>> caught in pass-the-parcel without the box of dollars they intend to run off >>>> with when the music stops, they never notice who they step on. >>>> >>>> They mostly weren't in here though. I'd like to hear more and >>>> different - though I can break up even this sentence in various contexts >>>> including receptions and my own intent-receptions-repetitions. Burke >>>> and Hare is good on hypocrisy and so is the holy genuflection of a Tibetan >>>> monk, all adulatory eyes like a good whore (a one-legged one saved my life >>>> if you remember) to his Chinese appointed Lama. Rapturous adulation can be >>>> faked as easily as men and women manage biological ecstasy. Tough old >>>> world. I like the story that William Blake had his 'visions' in a lifelong >>>> pursuit of the rise he got taking the St Michael out of pretentious gawps. >>>> Uncle Screwtape passes on his love to his dearest un-American imp. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 9:27:47 AM UTC, Gabby wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Heyo Neil, thanks for sharing, I take it as caring. Not my logic >>>>> though. >>>>> >>>>> I am not as happy as I could be in this group here is what I thought I >>>>> had tried to communicate for quite some time. I have summed up my >>>>> reasoning >>>>> to construct a reasonable narrative for myself and also to give you a >>>>> reason to know why you were right with your set up. >>>>> >>>>> Happy sunshine everywhere. :-) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2015-03-18 2:11 GMT+01:00 archytas <[email protected]>: >>>>> >>>>>> Who would we not be apologising to? >>>>>> http://listverse.com/2014/02/04/10-evil-crimes-of-the-british-empire/ >>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herero_and_Namaqua_Genocide >>>>>> http://med-slavery.uni-trier.de/minev/MedSlavery/Members/ste >>>>>> llo/bibliobits/articlereference.2007-07-27.3233996517 >>>>>> >>>>>> As a kid Gabby, I imagined the Royal Navy at sea to prevent the drugs >>>>>> trade in the Opium Wars, not support the trade. We are all had by >>>>>> nationalism. Few of us grow out of it. I guess 'Israel' will not take >>>>>> keenly to being reminded that all 2000 of Istanbul's Slavers' Club were >>>>>> Jews. You know what Germans can be reminded of. Where is the moral hill >>>>>> for your sermon on the mount? It is not unwelcome, but it is shrill, >>>>>> boring and unknowledgeable - whereas you are not. What now then? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 11:18:05 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Welcome back Gabby. Have you had a mystic experience? We seem to >>>>>>> be short of them in another thread on mystics. Unlike your old themes >>>>>>> they >>>>>>> seem to have been quickly forgotten. I see you have been 'reading up' >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> US hatestory. Alex Blum is good too. Of course, in 1861 when the old >>>>>>> countries were imperialising and drug trafficking, we did mean to join >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> Confederates. The American mistake, by one vote, was not speaking the >>>>>>> more >>>>>>> peaceful German of the royalty you exported to us and the Russians so we >>>>>>> could have a good old family squabble, or two. We might blame the >>>>>>> Dutch, >>>>>>> but then Allan has been placed amongst them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Have you read the history of the slaving in Europe and around the >>>>>>> Black Sea? One hears remarkably little contrition on this account >>>>>>> either. >>>>>>> What to do then? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 10:07:47 PM UTC, Gabby wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Right, here goes my lessons learned article… >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have come to the conclusion that the American God varies largely >>>>>>>> from the German God. Let me explain how I have arrived at this point. >>>>>>>> Before I came to this group here I have always thought that God was >>>>>>>> sort of >>>>>>>> a universal concept for anything that was not something. Here I became >>>>>>>> introduced to the idea that everything had to be determined and defined >>>>>>>> properly to be valid and to become accessible for an argumentative >>>>>>>> exchange. Those who could or would not operate on this basis got >>>>>>>> banned or >>>>>>>> when in doubt they get ridiculed, bullied ,and ignored. The >>>>>>>> representatives >>>>>>>> of this system and how they themselves have defined their role as group >>>>>>>> moderators has ever since reminded me of the God of the Old Testament >>>>>>>> in my >>>>>>>> children's bible. Non-transparent execution of power over childlike >>>>>>>> members. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I soon began to draw connections from the strange habitus of the >>>>>>>> performers in power to the belief systems under discussion here. >>>>>>>> Except for >>>>>>>> the two eccentric British "cousins" all power performers and >>>>>>>> performers in >>>>>>>> power were Americans from what I remember. No matter what kind of God >>>>>>>> concept they proposed, they all had this transcending notion in their >>>>>>>> appeal . It felt like the American myth is in constant need of feeding >>>>>>>> itself with a self-perpetuating self-pride through a permanent >>>>>>>> celebration >>>>>>>> of liberating one's own liberty from any sort of dependency. Fighting >>>>>>>> everything that does not fit in that frame. I felt no responsibility, >>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>> remorse, no historical conscience for their genocide of their First >>>>>>>> Nations >>>>>>>> and for their Slave history, no awareness for possibly having been a >>>>>>>> thorn >>>>>>>> in the flesh of somebody else. Nada. Not meant to be there. Hypocrisy >>>>>>>> instead. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think and hope that I have more or less made my peace with God's >>>>>>>> imprint on the Americans. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with >>>>>>>> certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the >>>>>>>> pursuit of Happiness." I take it the pursuit of Happiness was the >>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>> indicator for transcendental sunshine demand when declaring one's >>>>>>>> independence from the old continent. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, yes, the time is now. 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