Sounds very uplifting, now what about the cross-wind? On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 5:54:14 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: > > Past experience tells me it is not really an original idea and the gas > handling systems are in play already i am sure of that.. > Part of the detracting part is helium as either the Arabs or the US has > you by the short hairs neither choice is optimal. . Helium is expensive .. > The problem with hydrogen is it will burn from anywhere 4% to 90+% air > it is easy to say mix air hydrogen it burns.. that is the reason for > using nitrogen atmospheric nitrogen has a specific gravity of 0.9723 > and is easily obtained and prevents hydrogen from reaching the > flammable range.. of course you need quiet a few gas bags to safely > control lift no matter which lifting gas one uses.. helium is > expensive and very controlled. . > Hydrogen is going to seep through almost any type of expandable bag > using a double bag you can retrieve the seepage for recycling if the > double bags are contained inside a nitrogen soft filled bag you can > easily avoid hydrogen from reaching a flammable state.. if in a > emergency occurred you could safely vent the hydrogen from the top of > your airship with the gas quickly rising. > > The specific gravity of Helium is 0.138 where as hydrogen is 0.0696 which > gives hydrogen almost twice the lifting power for the same volume gas.. > lifting power is what it is all about.. > > Of course neither the oil industry or aircraft industry are going to > support the idea.. in reality they will do all they can discourage the > development if modern airships. This becomes even so when you add solar > panels to the mix.. especially since the development of being able to > create flexible sheets on a printing press using the correct inks.. > It becomes not difficult to visualize airships that are totally solar > powered.. even available to separate the noble gasses needed. > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: archytas <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 4:06 PM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen > > Buoyant gases- such as Ammonia, Hydrogen, Methane, Helium, Nitrogen, etc. > do not require liquidation in order to reduce lift, with the exception of > Ammonia as a lift gas, due to the ease of doing just that. But Ammonia has > only 40% the lift of Hydrogen, and is caustic. It’s been rejected as a lift > gas, at least with current technologies. > > But I digress. Some actually do propose compression of the lift gas as a > means of controlling lift- Aeros has even flown a full-sized airship that > has done just that. It is one of their Helium advertizing airships, > modified to house the COSH(Control Of Static Heaviness) system as a testbed > for their new DARPA hybrid Zeppelin, the PELICAN. The Pelican itself is > designed to be able to control lift in all modes of flight, through either > compression of the Helium or heating the Helium. This does not require > liquefaction for the very simple reason that the gases derive their > buoyancy from being slightly less dense than the atmosphere, and all gases > are very easily compressible, unlike water. It requires roughly as much > pressure as a bicycle tire to completely negate the lift of Helium, for > instance. The hull of a modern airship consists of composites of Kevlar, > Tedlar, Mylar, Vectran, Nylon, and other coatings. It’s layered and almost > completely impermeable; some hulls only lose 3% of their volume PER ANNUM. > Secondly, the compression system on the PELICAN- thus far the only one in > existence- relies on ballonets within the envelope. Any minute quantities > of gas that DOES escape would just escape into the low-pressure hull. > > > > On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 2:47:36 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >> >> Well, I sucked those sophisticated eggs some time ago. So what is the >> cost of compression? Fridges do it so some spreadsheet jockey will know >> the score. Cold fusion works if you ain't worried about the electric bill. >> Elastic is prone to snap in prolonged use. Our grand plan to cure global >> warming and at least four other more important environmental disasters, >> sound in theory, may fall at the "hayperth" of tar level - not that hot tar >> sounds good for sealing hydrogen bags. >> >> I'm watching a convalescent western, 'The Trail to Hope Rose'. It has >> Lou 'Hard Carbon Copy' Phillips and the 6 Million Dollar Man (now looking >> remarkably cheap) plus some Hope Sunshine surrogate actress. I couldn't >> enjoy it at all, if I didn't feel the presence of Gabby disapproving and >> sending me 'art house' appreciation of black rap at its blackest to keep me >> in Gagaland - though apparently she didn't turn up to do one with the dark >> rappers (Gaga not Gabby - though somehow this new phrase sounds wrong). >> Would your airship fleet have better television? RP would have us get the >> priorities right, after all/ >> >> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 1:33:42 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>> >>> You would never vent the hydrogen. But compress it back into storage >>> tanks that are able to handle hydrogen. Compressed it does not have the >>> lifting power it is when it is expanded that you gain lifting power >>> exactly the same way as helium. . By recycling gas you can control your >>> lifting ability.. for protection and safety you are looking at using >>> mutable gas bags. A sophisticated bunch of balloons. >>> >>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 2:14 PM >>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>> >>> What a saint you are Allan. Air ships don't make money and in terms of >>> business plans seem to be stuck in the hot-air model. Have you given much >>> thought to the expansion-contraction processes of going up and coming down? >>> I fell out with Hindenburg-Nemo when he issued the order to 'vent the >>> hydrogen' while he was smoking his pipe. of course, these technical >>> trivialities matter little in the great scheme to have enough of Allan's >>> babies up in the atmosphere to cool the planet in shadow. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, 23 March 2015 10:52:00 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>> >>>> That is true.. it could be a very productive new industry. I know what >>>> i figured out is very patentable but i am not interested in the money it >>>> is >>>> more for the benefit of humanity. >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 11:44 AM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>> >>>> The finest hour of hybrid technology. >>>> >>>> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 6:34:28 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Never thought of the solar cell idea..with the fire technology has >>>>> greatly improved since the German rigid airships. They used hydrogen >>>>> very >>>>> successfully. The US had the only source of helium know at the time. >>>>> With improved technology of today hydrogen can be handled safely. . >>>>> It also has greater lifting power than helium. >>>>> Using liquid metal batteries you would be able to store excess power >>>>> from the built in solar cells to provide power for propulsion through out >>>>> the night.. as well as creating replacement hydrogen. . Making it truly >>>>> >>>>> self supporting.. a great benefit in crisis situations. . >>>>> It would be amazing seeing eco friendly shipping especially one that >>>>> does not use up fuel resources. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 5:02 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>> >>>>> Air ships could be more or less self-sustaining. Lots of the surface >>>>> area could be solar panel and hydrogen and fuel could be made from this >>>>> power and water from clouds. We might double bag the hydrogen in helium >>>>> or >>>>> carbon dioxide bags. >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 3:24:55 AM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Chicken soup.. don't even need dentures.. >>>>>> Get well soon >>>>>> >>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 11:35 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>>> >>>>>> Heavy cold or 'flue here - feels like I never had an idea or the >>>>>> strength to type. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, 22 March 2015 19:38:29 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Not really usually i wake up grab my phone and write the idea down >>>>>>> while it is fresh.. >>>>>>> You would have a hard time convincing me you have never woke up with >>>>>>> an idea in your head. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 8:18 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Much the same problem as coming back from RP's unconscious unity >>>>>>> Allan.. We could us electrodes, a drip feed and translate the creative >>>>>>> brain waves. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sunday, March 22, 2015 at 7:05:05 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Would be nice how do you record the idea with out waking up? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 8:03 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The trick might be becoming more productive without waking up. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sunday, 22 March 2015 13:21:17 UTC, Molly wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That happens frequently to me when I am working out a design >>>>>>>>> problem for an image or literary structure for a book. I think the >>>>>>>>> state of >>>>>>>>> consciousness while sleeping that is most conducive to creativity is >>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>> accessible than in waking life because the constraints of logic are >>>>>>>>> lifted. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 22, 2015 at 9:11:09 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This idea has been circulating in my head ever since i saw the >>>>>>>>>> skycat. After the java disaster it became even more ideal as it can >>>>>>>>>> carry >>>>>>>>>> cargo do not need a runway.. problems like terrorist attacks can >>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>> taken in stride with multi layered nitrogen filled gas bags.. silk >>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>> fabric can repel bullets be absorbing the bullets energy >>>>>>>>>> .. hydrogen can be safely used as the lifting gas and readily >>>>>>>>>> available. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think that the airship could be of great benefit in disasters >>>>>>>>>> as well as air transport economy. They are much more economical >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> cargo jets carrying cargo although not as fast. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I do love it when the time space barrier is crossed and new >>>>>>>>>> knowledge is returned to our reality.. it is a neat feeling.. >>>>>>>>>> especially >>>>>>>>>> when you are aware of what is happening. . >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 1:38 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I love mornings like that. I do. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 22, 2015 at 2:15:51 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Was awaken this morning understanding how to create a rigid >>>>>>>>>>> airship using a multi bag system and using hydrogen as the lifting >>>>>>>>>>> gas. >>>>>>>>>>> That has been bugging me for years.. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> -- >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >
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