Just occasionally i get an idea once in a while say an insight.. there are many that know much more than i do.. Sometimes I get lucky..
تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others -----Original Message----- From: archytas <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 10:31 PM Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen Now I shall have to look elsewhere for the fount of all wisdom. On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 9:19:05 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: > > Does I don't know count. I was only interested how to safely use > hydrogen. That is the real key to get it to airship to work as it gets it > into the realm of practical. Oil and aviation industries will not like it. > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: archytas <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 10:01 PM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen > > Sounds very uplifting, now what about the cross-wind? > > On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 5:54:14 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> Past experience tells me it is not really an original idea and the gas >> handling systems are in play already i am sure of that.. >> Part of the detracting part is helium as either the Arabs or the US has >> you by the short hairs neither choice is optimal. . Helium is expensive .. >> The problem with hydrogen is it will burn from anywhere 4% to 90+% air >> it is easy to say mix air hydrogen it burns.. that is the reason for >> using nitrogen atmospheric nitrogen has a specific gravity of 0.9723 >> and is easily obtained and prevents hydrogen from reaching the >> flammable range.. of course you need quiet a few gas bags to safely >> control lift no matter which lifting gas one uses.. helium is >> expensive and very controlled. . >> Hydrogen is going to seep through almost any type of expandable bag >> using a double bag you can retrieve the seepage for recycling if the >> double bags are contained inside a nitrogen soft filled bag you can >> easily avoid hydrogen from reaching a flammable state.. if in a >> emergency occurred you could safely vent the hydrogen from the top of >> your airship with the gas quickly rising. >> >> The specific gravity of Helium is 0.138 where as hydrogen is 0.0696 which >> gives hydrogen almost twice the lifting power for the same volume gas.. >> lifting power is what it is all about.. >> >> Of course neither the oil industry or aircraft industry are going to >> support the idea.. in reality they will do all they can discourage the >> development if modern airships. This becomes even so when you add solar >> panels to the mix.. especially since the development of being able to >> create flexible sheets on a printing press using the correct inks.. >> It becomes not difficult to visualize airships that are totally solar >> powered.. even available to separate the noble gasses needed. >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: archytas <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 4:06 PM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >> >> Buoyant gases- such as Ammonia, Hydrogen, Methane, Helium, Nitrogen, etc. >> do not require liquidation in order to reduce lift, with the exception of >> Ammonia as a lift gas, due to the ease of doing just that. But Ammonia has >> only 40% the lift of Hydrogen, and is caustic. It’s been rejected as a lift >> gas, at least with current technologies. >> >> But I digress. Some actually do propose compression of the lift gas as a >> means of controlling lift- Aeros has even flown a full-sized airship that >> has done just that. It is one of their Helium advertizing airships, >> modified to house the COSH(Control Of Static Heaviness) system as a testbed >> for their new DARPA hybrid Zeppelin, the PELICAN. The Pelican itself is >> designed to be able to control lift in all modes of flight, through either >> compression of the Helium or heating the Helium. This does not require >> liquefaction for the very simple reason that the gases derive their >> buoyancy from being slightly less dense than the atmosphere, and all gases >> are very easily compressible, unlike water. It requires roughly as much >> pressure as a bicycle tire to completely negate the lift of Helium, for >> instance. The hull of a modern airship consists of composites of Kevlar, >> Tedlar, Mylar, Vectran, Nylon, and other coatings. It’s layered and almost >> completely impermeable; some hulls only lose 3% of their volume PER ANNUM. >> Secondly, the compression system on the PELICAN- thus far the only one in >> existence- relies on ballonets within the envelope. Any minute quantities >> of gas that DOES escape would just escape into the low-pressure hull. >> >> >> >> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 2:47:36 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >>> >>> Well, I sucked those sophisticated eggs some time ago. So what is the >>> cost of compression? Fridges do it so some spreadsheet jockey will know >>> the score. Cold fusion works if you ain't worried about the electric bill. >>> Elastic is prone to snap in prolonged use. Our grand plan to cure global >>> warming and at least four other more important environmental disasters, >>> sound in theory, may fall at the "hayperth" of tar level - not that hot tar >>> sounds good for sealing hydrogen bags. >>> >>> I'm watching a convalescent western, 'The Trail to Hope Rose'. It has >>> Lou 'Hard Carbon Copy' Phillips and the 6 Million Dollar Man (now looking >>> remarkably cheap) plus some Hope Sunshine surrogate actress. I couldn't >>> enjoy it at all, if I didn't feel the presence of Gabby disapproving and >>> sending me 'art house' appreciation of black rap at its blackest to keep me >>> in Gagaland - though apparently she didn't turn up to do one with the dark >>> rappers (Gaga not Gabby - though somehow this new phrase sounds wrong). >>> Would your airship fleet have better television? RP would have us get the >>> priorities right, after all/ >>> >>> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 1:33:42 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>> >>>> You would never vent the hydrogen. But compress it back into storage >>>> tanks that are able to handle hydrogen. Compressed it does not have the >>>> lifting power it is when it is expanded that you gain lifting power >>>> exactly the same way as helium. . By recycling gas you can control >>>> your >>>> lifting ability.. for protection and safety you are looking at using >>>> mutable gas bags. A sophisticated bunch of balloons. >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 2:14 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>> >>>> What a saint you are Allan. Air ships don't make money and in terms of >>>> business plans seem to be stuck in the hot-air model. Have you given much >>>> thought to the expansion-contraction processes of going up and coming >>>> down? >>>> I fell out with Hindenburg-Nemo when he issued the order to 'vent the >>>> hydrogen' while he was smoking his pipe. of course, these technical >>>> trivialities matter little in the great scheme to have enough of Allan's >>>> babies up in the atmosphere to cool the planet in shadow. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Monday, 23 March 2015 10:52:00 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>> >>>>> That is true.. it could be a very productive new industry. I know >>>>> what i figured out is very patentable but i am not interested in the >>>>> money >>>>> it is more for the benefit of humanity. >>>>> >>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 11:44 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>> >>>>> The finest hour of hybrid technology. >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 6:34:28 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Never thought of the solar cell idea..with the fire technology has >>>>>> greatly improved since the German rigid airships. They used hydrogen >>>>>> very >>>>>> successfully. The US had the only source of helium know at the time. >>>>>> With improved technology of today hydrogen can be handled safely. . >>>>>> It also has greater lifting power than helium. >>>>>> Using liquid metal batteries you would be able to store excess power >>>>>> from the built in solar cells to provide power for propulsion through >>>>>> out >>>>>> the night.. as well as creating replacement hydrogen. . Making it >>>>>> truly >>>>>> self supporting.. a great benefit in crisis situations. . >>>>>> It would be amazing seeing eco friendly shipping especially one >>>>>> that does not use up fuel resources. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 5:02 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>>> >>>>>> Air ships could be more or less self-sustaining. Lots of the surface >>>>>> area could be solar panel and hydrogen and fuel could be made from this >>>>>> power and water from clouds. We might double bag the hydrogen in helium >>>>>> or >>>>>> carbon dioxide bags. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 3:24:55 AM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chicken soup.. don't even need dentures.. >>>>>>> Get well soon >>>>>>> >>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 11:35 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Heavy cold or 'flue here - feels like I never had an idea or the >>>>>>> strength to type. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sunday, 22 March 2015 19:38:29 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Not really usually i wake up grab my phone and write the idea down >>>>>>>> while it is fresh.. >>>>>>>> You would have a hard time convincing me you have never woke up >>>>>>>> with an idea in your head. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 8:18 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Much the same problem as coming back from RP's unconscious unity >>>>>>>> Allan.. We could us electrodes, a drip feed and translate the >>>>>>>> creative >>>>>>>> brain waves. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 22, 2015 at 7:05:05 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Would be nice how do you record the idea with out waking up? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 8:03 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The trick might be becoming more productive without waking up. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 22 March 2015 13:21:17 UTC, Molly wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That happens frequently to me when I am working out a design >>>>>>>>>> problem for an image or literary structure for a book. I think the >>>>>>>>>> state of >>>>>>>>>> consciousness while sleeping that is most conducive to creativity is >>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>> accessible than in waking life because the constraints of logic are >>>>>>>>>> lifted. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 22, 2015 at 9:11:09 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This idea has been circulating in my head ever since i saw the >>>>>>>>>>> skycat. After the java disaster it became even more ideal as it can >>>>>>>>>>> carry >>>>>>>>>>> cargo do not need a runway.. problems like terrorist attacks >>>>>>>>>>> can be >>>>>>>>>>> taken in stride with multi layered nitrogen filled gas bags.. >>>>>>>>>>> silk like >>>>>>>>>>> fabric can repel bullets be absorbing the bullets energy >>>>>>>>>>> .. hydrogen can be safely used as the lifting gas and >>>>>>>>>>> readily available. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I think that the airship could be of great benefit in disasters >>>>>>>>>>> as well as air transport economy. They are much more economical >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> cargo jets carrying cargo although not as fast. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I do love it when the time space barrier is crossed and new >>>>>>>>>>> knowledge is returned to our reality.. it is a neat feeling.. >>>>>>>>>>> especially >>>>>>>>>>> when you are aware of what is happening. . >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 1:38 PM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I love mornings like that. I do. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 22, 2015 at 2:15:51 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Was awaken this morning understanding how to create a rigid >>>>>>>>>>>> airship using a multi bag system and using hydrogen as the >>>>>>>>>>>> lifting gas. >>>>>>>>>>>> That has been bugging me for years.. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> -- >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> ""Minds Eye"" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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