We could make a loop, Netherlands, UK, New York,Florida, India, Germany...take our time!
On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 6:32:29 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote: > > It would easily make the journey. . With Neils idea of using solar power > it could have unlimited range.. a luxury liner in the sky. A small > version could be a sky yacht . Love to meet you. > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: Molly <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 11:05 PM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen > > Can we fly it from Michigan to the Netherlands? I will book my vacation > days now. > > On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 5:45:49 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> Just occasionally i get an idea once in a while say an insight.. there >> are many that know much more than i do.. >> Sometimes I get lucky.. >> >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: archytas <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 10:31 PM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >> >> Now I shall have to look elsewhere for the fount of all wisdom. >> >> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 9:19:05 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>> >>> Does I don't know count. I was only interested how to safely use >>> hydrogen. That is the real key to get it to airship to work as it gets it >>> into the realm of practical. Oil and aviation industries will not like it. >>> >>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 10:01 PM >>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>> >>> Sounds very uplifting, now what about the cross-wind? >>> >>> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 5:54:14 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>> >>>> Past experience tells me it is not really an original idea and the >>>> gas handling systems are in play already i am sure of that.. >>>> Part of the detracting part is helium as either the Arabs or the US has >>>> you by the short hairs neither choice is optimal. . Helium is expensive >>>> .. >>>> The problem with hydrogen is it will burn from anywhere 4% to 90+% >>>> air it is easy to say mix air hydrogen it burns.. that is the reason >>>> for >>>> using nitrogen atmospheric nitrogen has a specific gravity of 0.9723 >>>> and is easily obtained and prevents hydrogen from reaching the >>>> flammable range.. of course you need quiet a few gas bags to safely >>>> control lift no matter which lifting gas one uses.. helium is >>>> expensive and very controlled. . >>>> Hydrogen is going to seep through almost any type of expandable bag >>>> using a double bag you can retrieve the seepage for recycling if the >>>> double bags are contained inside a nitrogen soft filled bag you can >>>> easily avoid hydrogen from reaching a flammable state.. if in a >>>> emergency occurred you could safely vent the hydrogen from the top of >>>> your airship with the gas quickly rising. >>>> >>>> The specific gravity of Helium is 0.138 where as hydrogen is 0.0696 >>>> which gives hydrogen almost twice the lifting power for the same volume >>>> gas.. lifting power is what it is all about.. >>>> >>>> Of course neither the oil industry or aircraft industry are going to >>>> support the idea.. in reality they will do all they can discourage the >>>> development if modern airships. This becomes even so when you add solar >>>> panels to the mix.. especially since the development of being able to >>>> create flexible sheets on a printing press using the correct inks.. >>>> It becomes not difficult to visualize airships that are totally >>>> solar powered.. even available to separate the noble gasses needed. >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 4:06 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>> >>>> Buoyant gases- such as Ammonia, Hydrogen, Methane, Helium, Nitrogen, >>>> etc. do not require liquidation in order to reduce lift, with the >>>> exception >>>> of Ammonia as a lift gas, due to the ease of doing just that. But Ammonia >>>> has only 40% the lift of Hydrogen, and is caustic. It’s been rejected as a >>>> lift gas, at least with current technologies. >>>> >>>> But I digress. Some actually do propose compression of the lift gas as >>>> a means of controlling lift- Aeros has even flown a full-sized airship >>>> that >>>> has done just that. It is one of their Helium advertizing airships, >>>> modified to house the COSH(Control Of Static Heaviness) system as a >>>> testbed >>>> for their new DARPA hybrid Zeppelin, the PELICAN. The Pelican itself is >>>> designed to be able to control lift in all modes of flight, through either >>>> compression of the Helium or heating the Helium. This does not require >>>> liquefaction for the very simple reason that the gases derive their >>>> buoyancy from being slightly less dense than the atmosphere, and all gases >>>> are very easily compressible, unlike water. It requires roughly as much >>>> pressure as a bicycle tire to completely negate the lift of Helium, for >>>> instance. The hull of a modern airship consists of composites of Kevlar, >>>> Tedlar, Mylar, Vectran, Nylon, and other coatings. It’s layered and almost >>>> completely impermeable; some hulls only lose 3% of their volume PER ANNUM. >>>> Secondly, the compression system on the PELICAN- thus far the only one in >>>> existence- relies on ballonets within the envelope. Any minute quantities >>>> of gas that DOES escape would just escape into the low-pressure hull. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 2:47:36 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Well, I sucked those sophisticated eggs some time ago. So what is the >>>>> cost of compression? Fridges do it so some spreadsheet jockey will know >>>>> the score. Cold fusion works if you ain't worried about the electric >>>>> bill. >>>>> Elastic is prone to snap in prolonged use. Our grand plan to cure global >>>>> warming and at least four other more important environmental disasters, >>>>> sound in theory, may fall at the "hayperth" of tar level - not that hot >>>>> tar >>>>> sounds good for sealing hydrogen bags. >>>>> >>>>> I'm watching a convalescent western, 'The Trail to Hope Rose'. It has >>>>> Lou 'Hard Carbon Copy' Phillips and the 6 Million Dollar Man (now looking >>>>> remarkably cheap) plus some Hope Sunshine surrogate actress. I couldn't >>>>> enjoy it at all, if I didn't feel the presence of Gabby disapproving and >>>>> sending me 'art house' appreciation of black rap at its blackest to keep >>>>> me >>>>> in Gagaland - though apparently she didn't turn up to do one with the >>>>> dark >>>>> rappers (Gaga not Gabby - though somehow this new phrase sounds wrong). >>>>> Would your airship fleet have better television? RP would have us get >>>>> the >>>>> priorities right, after all/ >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 1:33:42 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> You would never vent the hydrogen. But compress it back into storage >>>>>> tanks that are able to handle hydrogen. Compressed it does not have >>>>>> the >>>>>> lifting power it is when it is expanded that you gain lifting power >>>>>> exactly the same way as helium. . By recycling gas you can control >>>>>> your >>>>>> lifting ability.. for protection and safety you are looking at using >>>>>> mutable gas bags. A sophisticated bunch of balloons. >>>>>> >>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 2:14 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>>> >>>>>> What a saint you are Allan. Air ships don't make money and in terms >>>>>> of business plans seem to be stuck in the hot-air model. Have you given >>>>>> much thought to the expansion-contraction processes of going up and >>>>>> coming >>>>>> down? I fell out with Hindenburg-Nemo when he issued the order to 'vent >>>>>> the hydrogen' while he was smoking his pipe. of course, these technical >>>>>> trivialities matter little in the great scheme to have enough of Allan's >>>>>> babies up in the atmosphere to cool the planet in shadow. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, 23 March 2015 10:52:00 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That is true.. it could be a very productive new industry. I know >>>>>>> what i figured out is very patentable but i am not interested in the >>>>>>> money >>>>>>> it is more for the benefit of humanity. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 11:44 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The finest hour of hybrid technology. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 6:34:28 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Never thought of the solar cell idea..with the fire technology has >>>>>>>> greatly improved since the German rigid airships. They used hydrogen >>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>> successfully. The US had the only source of helium know at the time. >>>>>>>> With improved technology of today hydrogen can be handled safely. >>>>>>>> . It also has greater lifting power than helium. >>>>>>>> Using liquid metal batteries you would be able to store excess >>>>>>>> power from the built in solar cells to provide power for propulsion >>>>>>>> through >>>>>>>> out the night.. as well as creating replacement hydrogen. . Making >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> truly self supporting.. a great benefit in crisis situations. . >>>>>>>> It would be amazing seeing eco friendly shipping especially one >>>>>>>> that does not use up fuel resources. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 5:02 AM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Air ships could be more or less self-sustaining. Lots of the >>>>>>>> surface area could be solar panel and hydrogen and fuel could be made >>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>> this power and water from clouds. We might double bag the hydrogen in >>>>>>>> helium or carbon dioxide bags. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 3:24:55 AM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Chicken soup.. don't even need dentures.. >>>>>>>>> Get well soon >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 11:35 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Heavy cold or 'flue here - feels like I never had an idea or the >>>>>>>>> strength to type. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 22 March 2015 19:38:29 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Not really usually i wake up grab my phone and write the idea >>>>>>>>>> down while it is fresh.. >>>>>>>>>> You would have a hard time convincing me you have never woke up >>>>>>>>>> with an idea in your head. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 8:18 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Much the same problem as coming back from RP's unconscious unity >>>>>>>>>> Allan.. We could us electrodes, a drip feed and translate the >>>>>>>>>> creative >>>>>>>>>> brain waves. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 22, 2015 at 7:05:05 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Would be nice how do you record the idea with out waking up? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 8:03 PM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The trick might be becoming more productive without waking up. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 22 March 2015 13:21:17 UTC, Molly wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> That happens frequently to me when I am working out a design >>>>>>>>>>>> problem for an image or literary structure for a book. I think the >>>>>>>>>>>> state of >>>>>>>>>>>> consciousness while sleeping that is most conducive to creativity >>>>>>>>>>>> is more >>>>>>>>>>>> accessible than in waking life because the constraints of logic >>>>>>>>>>>> are lifted. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 22, 2015 at 9:11:09 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> This idea has been circulating in my head ever since i saw >>>>>>>>>>>>> the skycat. After the java disaster it became even more ideal as >>>>>>>>>>>>> it can >>>>>>>>>>>>> carry cargo do not need a runway.. problems like terrorist >>>>>>>>>>>>> attacks can >>>>>>>>>>>>> be taken in stride with multi layered nitrogen filled gas >>>>>>>>>>>>> bags.. silk >>>>>>>>>>>>> like fabric can repel bullets be absorbing the bullets energy >>>>>>>>>>>>> .. hydrogen can be safely used as the lifting gas and >>>>>>>>>>>>> readily available. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that the airship could be of great benefit in >>>>>>>>>>>>> disasters as well as air transport economy. They are much more >>>>>>>>>>>>> economical that cargo jets carrying cargo although not as fast. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I do love it when the time space barrier is crossed and new >>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge is returned to our reality.. it is a neat feeling.. >>>>>>>>>>>>> especially >>>>>>>>>>>>> when you are aware of what is happening. . >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 1:38 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I love mornings like that. I do. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 22, 2015 at 2:15:51 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Was awaken this morning understanding how to create a rigid >>>>>>>>>>>>>> airship using a multi bag system and using hydrogen as the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lifting gas. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That has been bugging me for years.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> -- >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> ""Minds Eye"" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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