I haven't had a decent idea for ages, except for murder plots in Berlin! On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 9:45:49 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: > > Just occasionally i get an idea once in a while say an insight.. there > are many that know much more than i do.. > Sometimes I get lucky.. > > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: archytas <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 10:31 PM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen > > Now I shall have to look elsewhere for the fount of all wisdom. > > On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 9:19:05 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> Does I don't know count. I was only interested how to safely use >> hydrogen. That is the real key to get it to airship to work as it gets it >> into the realm of practical. Oil and aviation industries will not like it. >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: archytas <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 10:01 PM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >> >> Sounds very uplifting, now what about the cross-wind? >> >> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 5:54:14 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>> >>> Past experience tells me it is not really an original idea and the >>> gas handling systems are in play already i am sure of that.. >>> Part of the detracting part is helium as either the Arabs or the US has >>> you by the short hairs neither choice is optimal. . Helium is expensive .. >>> The problem with hydrogen is it will burn from anywhere 4% to 90+% >>> air it is easy to say mix air hydrogen it burns.. that is the reason for >>> using nitrogen atmospheric nitrogen has a specific gravity of 0.9723 >>> and is easily obtained and prevents hydrogen from reaching the >>> flammable range.. of course you need quiet a few gas bags to safely >>> control lift no matter which lifting gas one uses.. helium is >>> expensive and very controlled. . >>> Hydrogen is going to seep through almost any type of expandable bag >>> using a double bag you can retrieve the seepage for recycling if the >>> double bags are contained inside a nitrogen soft filled bag you can >>> easily avoid hydrogen from reaching a flammable state.. if in a >>> emergency occurred you could safely vent the hydrogen from the top of >>> your airship with the gas quickly rising. >>> >>> The specific gravity of Helium is 0.138 where as hydrogen is 0.0696 >>> which gives hydrogen almost twice the lifting power for the same volume >>> gas.. lifting power is what it is all about.. >>> >>> Of course neither the oil industry or aircraft industry are going to >>> support the idea.. in reality they will do all they can discourage the >>> development if modern airships. This becomes even so when you add solar >>> panels to the mix.. especially since the development of being able to >>> create flexible sheets on a printing press using the correct inks.. >>> It becomes not difficult to visualize airships that are totally solar >>> powered.. even available to separate the noble gasses needed. >>> >>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 4:06 PM >>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>> >>> Buoyant gases- such as Ammonia, Hydrogen, Methane, Helium, Nitrogen, >>> etc. do not require liquidation in order to reduce lift, with the exception >>> of Ammonia as a lift gas, due to the ease of doing just that. But Ammonia >>> has only 40% the lift of Hydrogen, and is caustic. It’s been rejected as a >>> lift gas, at least with current technologies. >>> >>> But I digress. Some actually do propose compression of the lift gas as a >>> means of controlling lift- Aeros has even flown a full-sized airship that >>> has done just that. It is one of their Helium advertizing airships, >>> modified to house the COSH(Control Of Static Heaviness) system as a testbed >>> for their new DARPA hybrid Zeppelin, the PELICAN. The Pelican itself is >>> designed to be able to control lift in all modes of flight, through either >>> compression of the Helium or heating the Helium. This does not require >>> liquefaction for the very simple reason that the gases derive their >>> buoyancy from being slightly less dense than the atmosphere, and all gases >>> are very easily compressible, unlike water. It requires roughly as much >>> pressure as a bicycle tire to completely negate the lift of Helium, for >>> instance. The hull of a modern airship consists of composites of Kevlar, >>> Tedlar, Mylar, Vectran, Nylon, and other coatings. It’s layered and almost >>> completely impermeable; some hulls only lose 3% of their volume PER ANNUM. >>> Secondly, the compression system on the PELICAN- thus far the only one in >>> existence- relies on ballonets within the envelope. Any minute quantities >>> of gas that DOES escape would just escape into the low-pressure hull. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 2:47:36 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >>>> >>>> Well, I sucked those sophisticated eggs some time ago. So what is the >>>> cost of compression? Fridges do it so some spreadsheet jockey will know >>>> the score. Cold fusion works if you ain't worried about the electric >>>> bill. >>>> Elastic is prone to snap in prolonged use. Our grand plan to cure global >>>> warming and at least four other more important environmental disasters, >>>> sound in theory, may fall at the "hayperth" of tar level - not that hot >>>> tar >>>> sounds good for sealing hydrogen bags. >>>> >>>> I'm watching a convalescent western, 'The Trail to Hope Rose'. It has >>>> Lou 'Hard Carbon Copy' Phillips and the 6 Million Dollar Man (now looking >>>> remarkably cheap) plus some Hope Sunshine surrogate actress. I couldn't >>>> enjoy it at all, if I didn't feel the presence of Gabby disapproving and >>>> sending me 'art house' appreciation of black rap at its blackest to keep >>>> me >>>> in Gagaland - though apparently she didn't turn up to do one with the dark >>>> rappers (Gaga not Gabby - though somehow this new phrase sounds wrong). >>>> Would your airship fleet have better television? RP would have us get >>>> the >>>> priorities right, after all/ >>>> >>>> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 1:33:42 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You would never vent the hydrogen. But compress it back into storage >>>>> tanks that are able to handle hydrogen. Compressed it does not have the >>>>> lifting power it is when it is expanded that you gain lifting power >>>>> exactly the same way as helium. . By recycling gas you can control >>>>> your >>>>> lifting ability.. for protection and safety you are looking at using >>>>> mutable gas bags. A sophisticated bunch of balloons. >>>>> >>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 2:14 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>> >>>>> What a saint you are Allan. Air ships don't make money and in terms >>>>> of business plans seem to be stuck in the hot-air model. Have you given >>>>> much thought to the expansion-contraction processes of going up and >>>>> coming >>>>> down? I fell out with Hindenburg-Nemo when he issued the order to 'vent >>>>> the hydrogen' while he was smoking his pipe. of course, these technical >>>>> trivialities matter little in the great scheme to have enough of Allan's >>>>> babies up in the atmosphere to cool the planet in shadow. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, 23 March 2015 10:52:00 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> That is true.. it could be a very productive new industry. I know >>>>>> what i figured out is very patentable but i am not interested in the >>>>>> money >>>>>> it is more for the benefit of humanity. >>>>>> >>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 11:44 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>>> >>>>>> The finest hour of hybrid technology. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 6:34:28 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Never thought of the solar cell idea..with the fire technology has >>>>>>> greatly improved since the German rigid airships. They used hydrogen >>>>>>> very >>>>>>> successfully. The US had the only source of helium know at the time. >>>>>>> With improved technology of today hydrogen can be handled safely. . >>>>>>> It also has greater lifting power than helium. >>>>>>> Using liquid metal batteries you would be able to store excess >>>>>>> power from the built in solar cells to provide power for propulsion >>>>>>> through >>>>>>> out the night.. as well as creating replacement hydrogen. . Making it >>>>>>> truly self supporting.. a great benefit in crisis situations. . >>>>>>> It would be amazing seeing eco friendly shipping especially one >>>>>>> that does not use up fuel resources. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 5:02 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Air ships could be more or less self-sustaining. Lots of the >>>>>>> surface area could be solar panel and hydrogen and fuel could be made >>>>>>> from >>>>>>> this power and water from clouds. We might double bag the hydrogen in >>>>>>> helium or carbon dioxide bags. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 3:24:55 AM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chicken soup.. don't even need dentures.. >>>>>>>> Get well soon >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 11:35 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Heavy cold or 'flue here - feels like I never had an idea or the >>>>>>>> strength to type. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sunday, 22 March 2015 19:38:29 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Not really usually i wake up grab my phone and write the idea >>>>>>>>> down while it is fresh.. >>>>>>>>> You would have a hard time convincing me you have never woke up >>>>>>>>> with an idea in your head. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 8:18 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Much the same problem as coming back from RP's unconscious unity >>>>>>>>> Allan.. We could us electrodes, a drip feed and translate the >>>>>>>>> creative >>>>>>>>> brain waves. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 22, 2015 at 7:05:05 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Would be nice how do you record the idea with out waking up? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 8:03 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The trick might be becoming more productive without waking up. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 22 March 2015 13:21:17 UTC, Molly wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> That happens frequently to me when I am working out a design >>>>>>>>>>> problem for an image or literary structure for a book. I think the >>>>>>>>>>> state of >>>>>>>>>>> consciousness while sleeping that is most conducive to creativity >>>>>>>>>>> is more >>>>>>>>>>> accessible than in waking life because the constraints of logic are >>>>>>>>>>> lifted. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 22, 2015 at 9:11:09 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This idea has been circulating in my head ever since i saw the >>>>>>>>>>>> skycat. After the java disaster it became even more ideal as it >>>>>>>>>>>> can carry >>>>>>>>>>>> cargo do not need a runway.. problems like terrorist attacks >>>>>>>>>>>> can be >>>>>>>>>>>> taken in stride with multi layered nitrogen filled gas bags.. >>>>>>>>>>>> silk like >>>>>>>>>>>> fabric can repel bullets be absorbing the bullets energy >>>>>>>>>>>> .. hydrogen can be safely used as the lifting gas and >>>>>>>>>>>> readily available. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I think that the airship could be of great benefit in >>>>>>>>>>>> disasters as well as air transport economy. They are much more >>>>>>>>>>>> economical that cargo jets carrying cargo although not as fast. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I do love it when the time space barrier is crossed and new >>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge is returned to our reality.. it is a neat feeling.. >>>>>>>>>>>> especially >>>>>>>>>>>> when you are aware of what is happening. . >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 1:38 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I love mornings like that. I do. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 22, 2015 at 2:15:51 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Was awaken this morning understanding how to create a rigid >>>>>>>>>>>>> airship using a multi bag system and using hydrogen as the >>>>>>>>>>>>> lifting gas. >>>>>>>>>>>>> That has been bugging me for years.. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> -- >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> ""Minds Eye"" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >
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