My bout of 'flu had me on my knees in similar manner Ash.- as you know we 
Brits have to do things on the cheap these days.  ME hasn't changed much 
and at one point only hung together through threads of Allan talking to 
himself.  The rest of our world is made up by that German actress we hired 
to play Estella Haversham, the girl brought up to raise and then bring the 
Great Expectations of men crashing down.  She has gone native and has a 
cloning machine in operation, as in 'The Fly'.  In this case, whatever 
comes out has an over-sized spleen.  We discuss nothing at all  productive 
and there are more former members exchanging emails with me than use the 
group for fear of being savaged in the post catastrophe world of these 
columns. Even Molly Brogan has gone feral and sank teeth into RP Singh. 
 The poor chap hasn't been seen since.  He only indicated Moll had been 
neglecting her family by spending time in religious speakeasy joints and 
frittering her time away writing on the imagination - something we all knew 
anyway but wouldn't say out of respect for the brick in her handbag.  Moll 
and I agree on almost everything these days except god.  I don't do Deity 
despite Gabby's claims I am one and it seems Molly's chap talks to her 
about quantum phenomena, making me believe she is in touch with a charlatan 
as I passed through the quantum rainbow some time ago, whilst waiting to 
cross the Planck wall and feel the burn.  My main triumph concerns 
successful treatment of Allan's zero complex by convincing him there are no 
numbers in mathematics.

You can tell the usual standards of ignorance reign.  This thread is 
supposedly about war and no one seems to be aware of basic details and our 
countries' roles in finding chaps armed with sharpened mangoes prepared to 
be slaughtered to prove their manhood in death and ours in that distant 
triumph in which we don't know whether we are flying a drone or Master 
Chief in Halo legendary mode.  That the Saudis and other GCC members are 
bombing Yemen is seen as an irrelevance as Gabby continues a bullying 
monologue between the various 'alters' that prove she does not have 
dissociative personality disorder.

On Thursday, March 26, 2015 at 4:36:53 AM UTC, Ash wrote:
>
> Parenting, like teaching can be a  thankless task requiring incorrigible 
> wit and a stomach for dark beers. I for one am glad to hear a good story 
> even as a statue in disanimie (crap the Brits already made that word up). 
> Lacking both I seem to have transintegrated on my path to enlightenment and 
> landed back here. In flight from hell a falcon dive through a wall of fire 
> meditation left me triple spinning with the thunder of a waterfall on my 
> head to send me to my knees grasping the ground. It was almost downright 
> 'spiritual'.
>  On Mar 25, 2015 8:54 PM, "archytas" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Chris came as custodian of the group's beer cellars.  He was last seen 
>> making a trip to a craft brewery on a German manufactured broomstick, 
>> mistaking Wytch's Brew for witch's broom, an easy mistake for an American 
>> drinker after 19 quarts of Old Peculiar.  Other ventures here include 
>> putting wolves in charge of hen houses/
>>
>> On Thursday, March 26, 2015 at 12:39:12 AM UTC, Ash wrote:
>>>
>>> 'Dance like a butterfly sting like a bee' fair lady. Silence feels like 
>>> cowardice to me Allan.
>>>
>>> Hey Tony, glad to hear Andrew and Fran too! Who's this Chris fellow?
>>> On Mar 25, 2015 6:10 PM, "Gabby Thiede" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Don't let yourself get distracted, Allan! I am the evil bitch here! You 
>>>> need to fight with me!
>>>>
>>>> Am Mittwoch, 25. März 2015 schrieb :
>>>>
>>>>> If you are so neutral why are you promoting the benefits of war..
>>>>> Are you for war or against war..  your lip flapping is anything but 
>>>>> neutral. It does not take bravery to be neutral but rather cowardice. .  
>>>>> Those wanting to profit from war while hiding. .
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not like .. i have seen the harm it does and there is no 
>>>>> neutrality. 
>>>>>
>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: andrew vecsey <[email protected]>
>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>> Sent: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 10:50 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: War, good god y'all, what is it good for?
>>>>>
>>>>> Neutrality kept Switzerland out of fighting wars. Wars are immoral. 
>>>>> Judges in order to do  their job right have to remain neutral. Parents 
>>>>> should as well remain neutral. Staying neutral takes more bravery than 
>>>>> taking sides. As an example, some countries and some people find 
>>>>> homosexuality immoral. In those situations, it takes courage to take a 
>>>>> neutral stand regarding homosexuals. Neutrality shows fearless and 
>>>>> unconditional respect.Who is to say what is moral and what is not. And 
>>>>> something regarded as morally correct at one time  can be regarded as 
>>>>> immorally wrong at another time. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 9:03:31 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Neutrality is afraid  of taking a position.  A cowards way out.. how 
>>>>>> now to stand up for what is morally correct..  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: andrew vecsey <[email protected]>
>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>> Sent: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 8:21 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Mind's Eye Re: War, good god y'all, what is it good for?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think that all of us agree that the negative consequences of war 
>>>>>> far out weight any of the few positive consequences.  
>>>>>> The positive consequences of war can be realized by other means, 
>>>>>> especially in the modern times that we live in.:
>>>>>> 1. The advance of knowledge and technology can be realized by 
>>>>>> universities and government and private projects with monetary and merit 
>>>>>> rewards. 
>>>>>> 2. People can mix their cultures, knowledge and genes via tourism and 
>>>>>> exchange projects and the internet.
>>>>>> 3. Protection against aggressors can be attempted by diplomacy and 
>>>>>> sanctions.
>>>>>> 4. Over population can be reduced by education, family planing and 
>>>>>> contraception.
>>>>>> 5. We can realize that the world has become a lot smaller and that 
>>>>>> the brotherhood of man has become a lot clearer. We all have a common 
>>>>>> enemy 
>>>>>> in that if nature is exploited further we are all threatened. If you 
>>>>>> love 
>>>>>> your enemies, then you will not have any. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Switzerland has a lot to teach the world in avoiding wars.
>>>>>> On a political level, the keys to this are neutrality and direct 
>>>>>> democracy.
>>>>>> On a personal level, the keys are respect, tolerance, appreciation of 
>>>>>> diversity, 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Examples are:
>>>>>> If a part of a canton wants to separate, then accept that fact and 
>>>>>> let them separate like demonstrated by Jura a few years ago.
>>>>>> Small is beautiful concept.as demonstrated by semi autonomy of the 
>>>>>> cantons and the refusal to join Euro.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 12:27:21 PM UTC+1, andrew vecsey 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Very interesting question you pose Molly.
>>>>>>> Of course it is very easy to see the many negative consequences to 
>>>>>>> war, which seems to be a part of human nature. I like to believe that 
>>>>>>> there 
>>>>>>> is always 2 sides to everything - positive and negative. War with 
>>>>>>> weapons 
>>>>>>> and fighting with words have some common ground, like you suggest. 
>>>>>>> Being an 
>>>>>>> aggressor in a war and being a bully also share common ground. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The positive consequences of bullying that I can think of are:
>>>>>>> 1. It can make you stronger when you are bullied.
>>>>>>> 2. It shows you who your friends are who come to your aid if you are 
>>>>>>> bullied.
>>>>>>> 3. It allows you to show your friendship by coming to the aid of 
>>>>>>> your friends who are bullied.  
>>>>>>> 4. It allows you to make friends by coming to the aid of strangers 
>>>>>>> who are bullied.
>>>>>>> 5. You can learn from it so that you do not bully others yourself.  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The positive consequences of war that I can think of are much more 
>>>>>>> difficult to spot of course:
>>>>>>> 1. It advances knowledge and technology that can be useful in times 
>>>>>>> of peace.
>>>>>>> 2. It allows people to mix their cultures, knowledge and genes.
>>>>>>> 3. It can protect your countrymen and family against aggressors.
>>>>>>> 4. Like natural disasters like floods. earthquakes, fires and 
>>>>>>> epidemics,it can be used to counteract over population.
>>>>>>> 5. We can learn from it. If you love your enemies, like Jesus is 
>>>>>>> claimed to have said, then you will not have any. 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 12:03:34 AM UTC+1, Molly wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Howard Zinn, http://howardzinn.org/ historian, author, professor, 
>>>>>>>> playwright, and activist, whose life’s work focused on a wide range of 
>>>>>>>> issues including race, class, war, and history, and touched the lives 
>>>>>>>> of 
>>>>>>>> countless people, said "war itself is the enemy of the human race"
>>>>>>>>  http://bit.ly/1FwyDUP <http://bit.ly/1FwyDUP>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We go to war in a variety of ways, big to small. daily (some of 
>>>>>>>> us), in interpersonal ways, and over decades, as the human race. Why?
>>>>>>>>
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