The Sun in the Middle East is more or less at arm's length and men in it prone to visions and poetry. My head is hurting a bit like an after sun-stroke experience from this 'flu. Can't really do justice to this with a Bahrain hangover! Scientists are a bit dismissive about hanging around for these 'blow jobs from god or poetry', but much of our through the keyhole language has this form, if a different lexicon. and more inclination to swear to distinguish ourselves from the Bildungswaller.
There are problems in what you say here Molly What would be important to me in free speech as an ideal-type would be not to shut us out of the potential experience in the raw (or as close as we could get) before any shift in reasoning phase and future potentials of reculer pour me sauter - to be able to stand back to leap forward. This would apply as much to you as my guide through the 'poetry' as anything I might say of a speck of dust in collision with a baryon hull near the speed of light (two tons of exploding TNT if I got the sums wrong). Cows coming home need milking too. Only some kids can even do the regurgitation bit - education condemns itself by its failure for me, One is denied teaching and learners learning in so many ways. Science fiction leaves most things unchanged from 19th century literature and Attic tragedy - copied copies rather than imagination. I see the girl too. Must try some sleep now. Free speech is structured, what is free is also contained. Slavery and the poor do not always have to be with us as we smug creeps allow the laws of history and economics to work unconsciously in a world of Gabby-girl alters. Something is stopping us from imagining we can. On Friday, March 27, 2015 at 1:31:03 AM UTC, Molly wrote: > > Free speech in those terms, is rare indeed. I can read Blake till the cows > come home, feeling my way through it, understanding it a little more each > time. I can read Yeats on Blake, and feel I understand Blake better, but do > I? Or do I only now understand the more structured vision of Blake through > Yeats: > > The whole of Blake's teaching, -- and he was a teacher before all things, > -- may be summed up in a few words. > > Nature, he tells (or rather he reminds) us, is merely a name for one form > of mental existence. Art is another and a higher form. But that art may > rise to its true place, it must be set free from memory that binds it to > Nature. > > Nature, -- or creation, -- is a result of the shrinkage of consciousness, > -- originally clairvoyant, -- under the rule of the live senses, and of > argument and law. Consciousness is the result of the divided portions of > Universal Mind obtaining reception of one another. > > The divisions of mind began to produce matter *(as one of its > [[breve]]llvld(d moods is called), as soon as it produced contraction > (/~d.lm)*, and opacity (Satan), but its fatal tendency to division had > further effects. Contraction divided into male and female, -- mental and > emotional egotism. This was the 'fall'. Perpetual war is the result. > Morality wars on Passion, Reason on Hope, Memory on Inspiration, Matter on > Love. > > In Imagination only we find a Human Faculty that touches nature at one > side, and spirit on the other. Imagination may be described as that which > is sent bringing spirit to nature, entering into nature, and seemingly > losing its spirit, that nature being revealed as symbol may lose the power > to delude. > > Imagination is thus the philosophic name of the Saviour, whose symbolic > name is Christ, just as Nature is the philosophic name of Satan and Adam. > In saying that Christ redeems Adam (and Eve) from becoming Satan, we say > that Imagination redeems Reason (and Passion) from becoming Delusion, -- or > Nature. > > The prophets and apostles, priests and missionaries, of this Redemption > are, -- or should be, -- artists and poets. Art and poetry, by constantly > using symbolism, continually remind us that nature itself is a symbol. To > remember this, is to be redeemed from nature's death and destruction. > > This is Blake's message. He uttered it with the zeal of a man, who saw > with spiritual eyes the eternal importance of that which he proclaimed. For > this he looked forward to the return of the Golden Age, when 'all that was > not inspiration should be cast off from poetry'. (13) Then, wherever the > metaphors and the rhythms of the poet were heard, while the voices of the > sects had fallen dumb, should be the new Sinai, from which God should speak > in 'Thunder of Thought and flames of fierce desire'.(14) > > http://www.csun.edu/~hceng029/yeats/yeatsprefacetoblake.html > > I understand that most students at the university level aren't there to > thinks and learn - it is more political (matter of economy). They are > brainwashed to believe that going to university means making more money in > the future and most are willing to regurgitate what is easiest to make the > passing grade. > > But I also know that some of what I learned and wrote during that time is > some of the best of who I am, and somehow we integrate those experiences > into the larger matrix of being. I would seem like a simpleton to myself if > I went back and listened to a day in the life. I know because 90% of my > written record during that time was tossed. That 10% is the essence of > Molly Brogan still today. It must be hard for a teacher to see all that > while in the thick of it. > > As you can imagine, I like what Yeats had to say about Blake's treatment > of imagination. Is free speech hampered by looking through this lens? > > On Thursday, March 26, 2015 at 8:00:20 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote: >> >> Many google groups are effectively dead. You have to wonder, in front of >> undergraduates, whether anyone does rational discourse at all. Hardly any >> of them will be interested in learning how to work things out for >> themselves and trying to give them the opportunity is something resisted >> very hard. We run feedback exercises, but in staff development events the >> chances of it all starting with a 10 second biopic in which you learn the >> French teacher next to you teaches French are remarkably high. >> >> I'm seriously interested in how free speech is stopped. This is >> connected with Molly's question in this thread. The bickering, >> personation, alters, slagging, barking and the rest look like scenes from >> British secondary schools - and this is where I would judge most knowledge >> content expressed over the years. Of course, I can hear the old fart >> speaking this. The jaded lecturer who cast pearls before swine now sits in >> condescension on all the teecher mincers who thought they were smarter and >> cooler than Bart Simpson, grown to druggie failure as adults. I know the >> thinking in this is not good enough, partly because I know a huge amount >> taught in schools and universities is simply crap - though not quite in the >> way the kids themselves feel this. >> >> My approach has been to look at the "secret pleasures of bureaucracy". >> Slagging Gabby, for instance, is very easy because she even pisses off her >> (?) own alters - yet what are the "secret pleasures" of such engagement? >> The possibilities are legion and disturbing - yet what could be more >> disturbing of the mannered society in which many of our kids can't remember >> what they did in school yesterday and any adults I've polled on general and >> scientific understanding over 30 years live in cloud cuckoo land. One can >> start a lecture by such polling and a comparison of human knowledge with >> the performance of chimpanzees on the same multiple choice tests. The same >> chimps are turning up by the end of the module too. >> >> If we wanted to, we could offer "her (?)" as slagging - hinting "she" is, >> say, a cross-dresser (I know a few and wouldn't want to upset most of them >> - slag +) etc. Few seem to get that decent people can be very "impolite" >> in actual friendship and a lot of the mannered stuff covers appalling >> war-like hostility and lies about in our society without real help. Most >> murders and brutality have such pathetic "origins" I can barely relate the >> tales without people thinking I'm making them up. Anthropology tells >> similar tales. In the Balkans and Cyprus you can find communities with >> inter-marriage, shared wealth and friendships one day, killing each other >> the next. Genocides are not uncommon and Jews are not over-often the >> victims (think how impossible this debate is and the turds who would make >> me a holocaust denier). I suspect "secret pleasures" in hating other >> people, even that the relevant traumas may be generations old. >> >> My guess has long been that most free speech can't start because people >> get used to living without knowledge because it is much easier to cheat >> following fashion or modelling on role. I'd love to get into discussion of >> such and to an extent can with books and papers (there is a 'fashion' >> theory of learning and exploitation). What we need to imagine is why >> various clowns and barkers, those gossiping loudly at the back or even >> those good adaptive children who want to know which page of the textbook to >> copy, want to stop us having our free speech. >> >> On Thursday, March 26, 2015 at 10:50:26 PM UTCes, archytas wrote: >>> >>> I was just thinking I don't go around chasing the tail pipes of north >>> bound trams, when the modern art of MOMA dawned on me. >>> >>> On Thursday, March 26, 2015 at 4:07:19 PM UTC, facilitator wrote: >>>> >>>> Neil, I wish I could sculpt with metal to the degree you sculpt with >>>> words! I would have been in MOMA years ago. >>>> >>>> On Thursday, March 26, 2015 at 12:01:31 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I was impressed when I thought she was a bot. One had to admire that >>>>> almost human quality. Now we know she's just a daft old bat addicted to >>>>> white board wipe vapour or a runaway from the Rocky Horror Show, the >>>>> disappointment would be intense if we'd ever cared for substrate >>>>> dependant >>>>> mind fetish. >>>>> >>>>> -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
