A head full of soap opera, nightmare indeed. On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 6:45:07 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: > > I have a dislike for episodes. . One thing is they are not gòd for clarity > of thought.. but one good thing it was lite. Problem is I have been > having them for msy many years even befor I came to Europe.. i always > thought of them as severe nightmares. > It is good to know . . . I think.. > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: archytas <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Fri, 03 Apr 2015 4:32 PM > Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Imagine That > > Despite imagination Allan, I have never been able to regard meeting a > bloke as a date. The way round this seems to be not dating in order to be > gender balanced. Never liked the performances anyway. Tired today, i that > 'after 'flu' way. Looking forward to dog walk being less of a trudge and > no throbbing pains in my left eye and head. Instructions to buy Ginger > Wine for hot toddies. > > I agree all that Molly and it all expands into several books - though > really one can only create the conditions for a trail every so often. This > would be worth talking through, though most spirits are too weak to try. > > I'll try again if Max leaves me any energy and the toddies don't get too > overwhelming. May just let them. Much of what needs saying is not in the > public domain, which is odd given how easy much of it is. > > On Friday, 3 April 2015 12:33:14 UTC+1, Molly wrote: >> >> I will take my carbon dating as a compliment as I think the age of reason >> our downfall. We only seemed to have an inkling about how our extension >> through technology would bring us back through it where reasonable >> paradigms don't work for us, and as close as we can get to a working model >> is again mystic. Not to say reason is thrown aside. It must be integrated >> and given its mechanical function so we can move into something greater, >> having been hijacked for too long and used in the power and control games. >> We are more than mental, but are beaten with it until we give it all up to >> merely survive, our self image blown to smithereens >> >> For too long, no one recognized the magician of the beautiful, those that >> move naturally and leave beauty in their wake. We've lost our ability to >> recognize beauty, having been drenched in mundane by deteriorating culture >> and technology. But something has come of it. And there are those among us >> that move in action of the divine principle within, and those among us that >> can recognize the beauty that surrounds them and envelops us. If we can let >> go of the need to know why, and move along in this action, we can be taken >> where paradigms are no longer necessary. I am not sure if a group can be >> carried along, or if we, moving in action of the divine principle within, >> move with the world as it is in perfection, accepting the imperfection as >> inherent to the divine principle, knowing the imperfection is changing into >> perfection through the action. Maybe its always been like this. Maybe it >> always will be. >> >> On Thursday, April 2, 2015 at 5:52:32 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote: >>> >>> I had a nice afternoon. Turned a bar in Manchester into an old-style >>> tavern with folk singing and a free barrel of Old Peculiar. The themes >>> were about returning to Greek and Medieval notions of rationality, which >>> have long struck me as in need of a few beers to get into. Debate went so >>> well I hardly needed to say anything. >>> >>> The Greeks were all over the place around the relevant time, in Italy >>> and around the Med. This was the time of the of what Hans Joas dubbed >>> "cosmic religion" of late Antiquity, a fusion of Greek cosmological >>> speculation. Babylonian astrology, Egyptian theology, Jewish thought and >>> popular magic. There were many attempts to translate this into political >>> constitutions. Most of this was put to the Roman sword, and intellectuals >>> became mystic, aspiring to find new ways to transcend earthly systems >>> entirely, rising through planetary spheres, purging themselves of >>> materiality to pure reason - that human reason that is simply the action of >>> a divine principle within us. Rationality here becomes beyond spiritual to >>> the mystical achievement of union with he divine. In the absence of Molly, >>> we did the internal warming of Old Peculiar and some Lancashire Folk. >>> >>> So why look to the past like this? The simple answer is that our >>> present is still full of it. >>> >>> The second area we looked at once the beer was going down was the >>> Medieval. You need to be half-cut to take what went on then. One of the >>> strongest features of this time concerns just how humans consider >>> themselves superior and different to animals. We are still taught this >>> crap as kids - 'it's rationality stupid'. Cue some cute pictures of >>> animals problem solving and being very rational (lions hunting at night is >>> a real killer). And a run out for Allan's soul, with a slight twist. What >>> separates humans and animals is that humans can imagine they possess an >>> immortal soul. If the soul is the seat of reason, to say humans are in >>> possession of one is to say we are rational creatures. >>> >>> You need the top shelf now, as these forms of religiosity are the basis >>> of bureaucracy and rationality. Descartes becomes spiritual and mystic. >>> The question, of course, is whether we can escape. It's bank holiday here >>> on Friday. This brings discussion of the archaeology of "heroic societies" >>> other than just the Attic tragedy kind, as engines of the self-aggrandising >>> story. >>> >>> By the end (people fly home Tuesday) we hope to be able to talk new >>> economic, perhaps find some partnerships to write something different - or >>> not write and think of different things to do. After a couple of pints, I >>> was imagining dating Molly and Allan in about 500 BC to 1500 AD. >>> >> -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >
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