Failing eyesight makes the zoom feature a blessing.  I now prefer 
electronic text to paper.  Pity electronic speech is so dire and difficult 
to speed read with (some blind colleagues have got used to listening at 
speeds I can't).

I wish Molly was right on the move to something more spiritual, but 
research suggests a big physical element in electronic receptions.  I'm not 
sure the imagination button is switched on n most people, and soon we will 
have products for all kinds of physical simulation to go with the mobile. 


On Saturday, April 4, 2015 at 9:50:27 AM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
>
> Thank you. Sleep allows the brain to reset. .  My episodes are always 
> early morning. . 5 - 7 am. Figures other than to me they are very boring. .
> As it is adult onset..  i am wondering if my smart phones ae part of the 
> problem.
>  If i really  want to read a document  i prefer a combo of paper / 
> electronic..
> I like human content. . My preference a cuppa coffee / tea sitting  
> around  a table talking with friends. . The Internet will do. And is nice 
> for long distances.. and is convenient as you can answer when up.. i always 
> turn my phone to airplane mode while sleeping. 
>
> I do think the internet is slowly down the ability  to think.. to much us 
> being passed off as truth when in reality  it is a lot of cut and paste ..  
> i am left wondering if the are not basting a idea from a bad recipe. 
>
> BOO...
>
> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Molly <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Sat, 04 Apr 2015 9:06 AM
> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Imagine That
>
> Big hug across the divide to you, Allan. Speedy recovery.
>
> On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 5:56:42 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>
>> The older i get the longer it takes to recover. And they run in cycles. . 
>> Unfortunately  medication is only sliwing them and cutting  severity.
>> But that is better than raw..
>> The poery is only madness  running thu my head hooe it is not to crazy
>>
>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: archytas <[email protected]>
>> To: [email protected]
>> Sent: Fri, 03 Apr 2015 11:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Imagine That
>>
>> A head full of soap opera, nightmare indeed.
>>
>> On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 6:45:07 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a dislike for episodes. . One thing is they are not gòd for 
>>> clarity of thought..  but one good thing it was lite.  Problem is I  have  
>>> been having them for msy many years even befor I came to Europe.. i always 
>>> thought of them as severe nightmares.
>>> It is good to know . . . I think..
>>>
>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: archytas <[email protected]>
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Sent: Fri, 03 Apr 2015 4:32 PM
>>> Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Imagine That
>>>
>>> Despite imagination Allan, I have never been able to regard meeting a 
>>> bloke as a date. The way round this seems to be not dating in order to be 
>>> gender balanced.  Never liked the performances anyway.  Tired today, i that 
>>> 'after 'flu' way.  Looking forward to dog walk being less of a trudge and 
>>> no throbbing pains in my left eye and head.  Instructions to buy Ginger 
>>> Wine for hot toddies.
>>>
>>> I agree all that Molly and it all expands into several books - though 
>>> really one can only create the conditions for a trail every so often.  This 
>>> would be worth talking through, though most spirits are too weak to try.
>>>
>>> I'll try again if Max leaves me any energy and the toddies don't get too 
>>> overwhelming.  May just let them.  Much of what needs saying is not in the 
>>> public domain, which is odd given how easy much of it is.
>>>
>>> On Friday, 3 April 2015 12:33:14 UTC+1, Molly wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I will take my carbon dating as a compliment as I think the age of 
>>>> reason our downfall. We only seemed to have an inkling about how our 
>>>> extension through technology would bring us back through it where 
>>>> reasonable paradigms don't work for us, and as close as we can get to a 
>>>> working model is again mystic. Not to say reason is thrown aside. It must 
>>>> be integrated and given its mechanical function so we can move into 
>>>> something greater, having been hijacked for too long and used in the power 
>>>> and control games. We are more than mental, but are beaten with it until 
>>>> we 
>>>> give it all up to merely survive, our self image blown to smithereens 
>>>>
>>>> For too long, no one recognized the magician of the beautiful, those 
>>>> that move naturally and leave beauty in their wake. We've lost our ability 
>>>> to recognize beauty, having been drenched in mundane by deteriorating 
>>>> culture and technology. But something has come of it. And there are those 
>>>> among us that move in action of the divine principle within, and those 
>>>> among us that can recognize the beauty that surrounds them and envelops 
>>>> us. 
>>>> If we can let go of the need to know why, and move along in this action, 
>>>> we 
>>>> can be taken where paradigms are no longer necessary. I am not sure if a 
>>>> group can be carried along, or if we, moving in action of the divine 
>>>> principle within, move with the world as it is in perfection, accepting 
>>>> the 
>>>> imperfection as inherent to the divine principle, knowing the imperfection 
>>>> is changing into perfection through the action. Maybe its always been like 
>>>> this. Maybe it always will be.
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, April 2, 2015 at 5:52:32 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I had a nice afternoon.  Turned a bar in Manchester into an old-style 
>>>>> tavern with folk singing and a free barrel of Old Peculiar.  The themes 
>>>>> were about returning to Greek and Medieval notions of rationality, which 
>>>>> have long struck me as in need of a few beers to get into.  Debate went 
>>>>> so 
>>>>> well I hardly needed to say anything.  
>>>>>
>>>>> The Greeks were all over the place around the relevant time, in Italy 
>>>>> and around the Med.  This was the time of the of what Hans Joas dubbed 
>>>>> "cosmic religion" of late Antiquity, a fusion of Greek cosmological 
>>>>> speculation. Babylonian astrology, Egyptian theology, Jewish thought and 
>>>>> popular magic.  There were many attempts to translate this into political 
>>>>> constitutions.  Most of this was put to the Roman sword, and 
>>>>> intellectuals 
>>>>> became mystic, aspiring to find new ways to transcend earthly systems 
>>>>> entirely, rising through planetary spheres, purging themselves of 
>>>>> materiality to pure reason - that human reason that is simply the action 
>>>>> of 
>>>>> a divine principle within us.  Rationality here becomes beyond spiritual 
>>>>> to 
>>>>> the mystical achievement of union with he divine.  In the absence of 
>>>>> Molly, 
>>>>> we did the internal warming of Old Peculiar and some Lancashire Folk.
>>>>>
>>>>> So why look to the past like this?  The simple answer is that our 
>>>>> present is still full of it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The second area we looked at once the beer was going down was the 
>>>>> Medieval.  You need to be half-cut to take what went on then.  One of the 
>>>>> strongest features of this time concerns just how humans consider 
>>>>> themselves superior and different to animals.  We are still taught this 
>>>>> crap as kids - 'it's rationality stupid'.  Cue some cute pictures of 
>>>>> animals problem solving and being very rational (lions hunting at night 
>>>>> is 
>>>>> a real killer).  And a run out for Allan's soul, with a slight twist.  
>>>>> What 
>>>>> separates humans and animals is that humans can imagine they possess an 
>>>>> immortal soul.  If the soul is the seat of reason, to say humans are in 
>>>>> possession of one is to say we are rational creatures.
>>>>>
>>>>> You need the top shelf now, as these forms of religiosity are the 
>>>>> basis of bureaucracy and rationality.  Descartes becomes spiritual and 
>>>>> mystic.  The question, of course, is whether we can escape.  It's bank 
>>>>> holiday here on Friday.  This brings discussion of the archaeology of 
>>>>> "heroic societies" other than just the Attic tragedy kind, as engines of 
>>>>> the self-aggrandising story.  
>>>>>
>>>>> By the end (people fly home Tuesday) we hope to be able to talk new 
>>>>> economic, perhaps find some partnerships to write something different - 
>>>>> or 
>>>>> not write and think of different things to do.  After a couple of pints, 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> was imagining dating Molly and Allan in about 500 BC to 1500 AD.   
>>>>>
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