Sorry a junky is still a junky not an enlightened junky

Do No Harm

-----Original Message-----
From: Rajendra Pal Singh <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Hindu

Turiya-state is the one in which all the senses close down and there is
awareness of bliss and nothing else. It can be achieved naturally through
concentration, but also through the use of some narcotics. It is just a
state of the organism like the other states. You do not come back if you
really realize the Self .

On Tue 19 Feb, 2019, 2:36 PM <[email protected] wrote:

> RP you have just jumped in with both both feet in a pet peeve of mine..
> over the years I have been in what you are referring to the  "
> turiya-state " on mutiable times WITHOUT the use of drugs to achieve that
> state. I personally do not feel the use of drug to achive
> turiya-state would be a true turiya-state but rather drug induced state
> nothing more.
> When you introduce drugs into spirituality it removes validity of the
> experience.. over the years I have talked with people claiming to the
> achived turiya both naturally and drug induced.. leaving my own experiences
> out  of  the discussion they are different. You would  not realize that
> unless you have achieved the natural state of turiya.
> I do not approve of drug use.
> 2:  if  it was not for the internet and the ability to look up
> turiya-state you have said nothing but babble. Your inability to explain
> turiya-state  demonstrates a lack of understanding.
> Blunt with no apologies.
> Allan
>
> Do No Harm
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rajendra Pal Singh <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 8:49 AM
> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Hindu
>
> That state in which the self is known subjectively within oneself is the
> turiya-state of the organism , just like the sleep-state, the dream-state,
> the awake-state and the coma-state. Turiya-state can be achieved through
> the use of some drugs as well.
> The Self is above all states and is known to be without attributes, once a
> soul attains to him he does not comes back to the lower self.
>
> On Tue 19 Feb, 2019, 12:33 PM Vam <[email protected] wrote:
>
>> Ah, that is one great assurance of all Gods and Gurus to the Hindu :
>>
>> Never believe that you are alone.
>> There is always the One with you, behind you.
>>
>> Again, it is felt and known subjectively, within ourself.
>>
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