On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 05:02:07PM -0700, dereck wrote: > No one has time to provide examples for an email list. I said in my writeup > that I didn't care for the heavyweight RUP. But I've used in several places > the UML for documentation. However, if you think that no one is successfully > using UML processes for documentation my suggestion is that you get to a few > UGs to talk to a few people in the flesh.
Let me provide you an example of great software that wasn't written using UML. OpenBSD. Took me 5 seconds. > > I meant that you obviously aren't lucky enough to work with good people. If > you want to make something of that, that's fine with me. I can flame too > (since that is the specialty of this list). But you say it will always end > in tears and I say that you are not correct. That is the nice way to say it. > At least you did _not_ say that the "code is the documentation". But you > are wrong that UML never works. Rational's tools I've not had luck with, but > I stand by my previous writeup on UML. > > Again, I'm unafraid of a flame if you want to start it. But I also have a > 3-year-old, so pointless back-and-forth is something I'm adept at right now. > > --- On Wed, 5/5/10, Christiano F. Haesbaert <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: Christiano F. Haesbaert <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: OT - UML, can someone state that it works ? > > To: "dereck" <[email protected]> > > Cc: "Marco Peereboom" <[email protected]>, "OpenBSD Questions" > > <[email protected]> > > Date: Wednesday, May 5, 2010, 10:51 PM > > On 5 May 2010 19:35, dereck <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > Messages like this are the reason I lurk here but > > seldom say anything. > > > > > > Yes, we all have our crosses to bear - and some people > > have the bad luck of > > never working with intelligent people. > > > > > > > Can you provide a real working example ? > > Because no one has ever done that for me. > > Even if you can, can you provide 2 or three examples ? > > I would think again on the "never working with inteliigent > > people" part. > > Can you or anyone, prove that this works *more often than > > not* ? > > I'm at the point that people say this and that, but know > > one has > > *ever* seen it working. > > The whole idea seems like a bunch of crap, anyone who has > > ever done > > any real programming knows that the world is much different > > than that > > (mine is, at least). > > But I'm willing to be wrong. > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 5/5/10, Marco Peereboom <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > >> From: Marco Peereboom <[email protected]> > > >> Subject: Re: OT - UML, can someone state that it > > works ? > > >> To: "Christiano F. Haesbaert" <[email protected]> > > >> Cc: "OpenBSD Questions" <[email protected]> > > >> Date: Wednesday, May 5, 2010, 8:48 PM > > >> I have sen many attempts at UML and > > >> they all ended in tears.? Not > > >> surprising because UML is an academic thing that > > does not > > >> apply to that > > >> thing we call "reality".? Total waste of > > time. > > >> But wait, it gets > > >> better!? If you want to see it fail even > > more > > >> spectacularly use the > > >> "tools" they have such as rational rose.? > > Hilarity > > >> ensues, I promise. > > >> > > >> On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 04:08:47PM -0300, > > Christiano F. > > >> Haesbaert wrote: > > >> > Sorry for such an out of topic thread, hear > > my pain: > > >> > > > >> > I'm really sick of hearing about UML/RUP and > > all this > > >> boulshit about > > >> > software engineering in my university. > > >> > > > >> > My feeling is that someone wrote it, never > > implemented > > >> it, and for > > >> > some stupid reason, the industry/academia > > bought it. > > >> > > > >> > So as I regard the openbsd folks as highly > > skilled > > >> developers, I ask > > >> > for your opinion. > > >> > > > >> > Is my impression completely wrong ? > > >> > > > >> > Do any of you believe in it ? > > >> > > > >> > Thanks.
