I would really like to have your contact information as well for consulting. You are obviously a really smart guy!
I'm sure that you did not read my writeup in which I _SPECIFICALLY_ pointed out that C code wouldn't fit the UML. And since the other genius wanted my own examples (as if most companies don't have NDAs) the thread is closed for him. [Which is fine; like I said I already have small kids at home.] The point of _your_ posts seems to be that anyone with experience is an idiot. So, the email list for you (as usual) works like this: someone asks for information on a topic, seemingly wanting actual information/experience/views on the list. In this particular case you simply can't pull your usual tactic and blare "reading the f***ing archive!" because of the topic itself. Another person takes the time to write his own experience and view on the topic, INCLUDING the redundant point that you just made about OpenBSD and the unsuitability of C. And this person answering the honest issue (with his opinion) is the idiot spouting nonsense because of...? Because Marco says so with a pithy "I'll give you a counter-example!". Which is really smart since the counterexample was in the original post! Like I said - you are a smart guy! Do you consult? If not you're missing out on a lot of income given I meet 3-4 people top-notch people like you a month. But here are the facts smart man: Java is so common that it is known to as _the_ application language of our time - it is ubiquitous. Your bigotry toward it changes that not one bit. And a fair portion of this new Java is documented with UML. It is useless to talk of projects that don't work in the real world, since 65% of ALL IT projects don't fulfill business expectations. I'll go back to lurking on _your_ list, but you should pat yourself on the back. I learn so much from you and your usual learned responses. And the next time you are being the A** I'll be able to say - "hey, read the f***ing archive" since this will be archived as well. --- On Thu, 5/6/10, Marco Peereboom <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Marco Peereboom <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: OT - UML, can someone state that it works ? > To: "dereck" <[email protected]> > Cc: "Christiano F. Haesbaert" <[email protected]>, "OpenBSD Questions" <[email protected]> > Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 1:40 AM > On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 05:02:07PM > -0700, dereck wrote: > > No one has time to provide examples for an email > list. I said in my writeup that I didn't care for the > heavyweight RUP. But I've used in several places the UML for > documentation. However, if you think that no one is > successfully using UML processes for documentation my > suggestion is that you get to a few UGs to talk to a few > people in the flesh. > > Let me provide you an example of great software that wasn't > written > using UML. OpenBSD. Took me 5 seconds. > > > > > I meant that you obviously aren't lucky enough to work > with good people. If you want to make something of > that, that's fine with me. I can flame too (since that > is the specialty of this list). But you say it will > always end in tears and I say that you are not > correct. That is the nice way to say it. At > least you did _not_ say that the "code is the > documentation". But you are wrong that UML never > works. Rational's tools I've not had luck with, but I > stand by my previous writeup on UML. > > > > Again, I'm unafraid of a flame if you want to start > it. But I also have a 3-year-old, so pointless > back-and-forth is something I'm adept at right now. > > > > --- On Wed, 5/5/10, Christiano F. Haesbaert <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > From: Christiano F. Haesbaert <[email protected]> > > > Subject: Re: OT - UML, can someone state that it > works ? > > > To: "dereck" <[email protected]> > > > Cc: "Marco Peereboom" <[email protected]>, > "OpenBSD Questions" <[email protected]> > > > Date: Wednesday, May 5, 2010, 10:51 PM > > > On 5 May 2010 19:35, dereck <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > Messages like this are the reason I lurk > here but > > > seldom say anything. > > > > > > > > Yes, we all have our crosses to bear - and > some people > > > have the bad luck of > > > never working with intelligent people. > > > > > > > > > > Can you provide a real working example ? > > > Because no one has ever done that for me. > > > Even if you can, can you provide 2 or three > examples ? > > > I would think again on the "never working with > inteliigent > > > people" part. > > > Can you or anyone, prove that this works *more > often than > > > not* ? > > > I'm at the point that people say this and that, > but know > > > one has > > > *ever* seen it working. > > > The whole idea seems like a bunch of crap, anyone > who has > > > ever done > > > any real programming knows that the world is much > different > > > than that > > > (mine is, at least). > > > But I'm willing to be wrong. > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 5/5/10, Marco Peereboom <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> From: Marco Peereboom <[email protected]> > > > >> Subject: Re: OT - UML, can someone state > that it > > > works ? > > > >> To: "Christiano F. Haesbaert" <[email protected]> > > > >> Cc: "OpenBSD Questions" <[email protected]> > > > >> Date: Wednesday, May 5, 2010, 8:48 PM > > > >> I have sen many attempts at UML and > > > >> they all ended in tears.? Not > > > >> surprising because UML is an academic > thing that > > > does not > > > >> apply to that > > > >> thing we call "reality".? Total waste > of > > > time. > > > >> But wait, it gets > > > >> better!? If you want to see it fail > even > > > more > > > >> spectacularly use the > > > >> "tools" they have such as rational > rose.? > > > Hilarity > > > >> ensues, I promise. > > > >> > > > >> On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 04:08:47PM > -0300, > > > Christiano F. > > > >> Haesbaert wrote: > > > >> > Sorry for such an out of topic > thread, hear > > > my pain: > > > >> > > > > >> > I'm really sick of hearing about > UML/RUP and > > > all this > > > >> boulshit about > > > >> > software engineering in my > university. > > > >> > > > > >> > My feeling is that someone wrote > it, never > > > implemented > > > >> it, and for > > > >> > some stupid reason, the > industry/academia > > > bought it. > > > >> > > > > >> > So as I regard the openbsd folks as > highly > > > skilled > > > >> developers, I ask > > > >> > for your opinion. > > > >> > > > > >> > Is my impression completely wrong > ? > > > >> > > > > >> > Do any of you believe in it ? > > > >> > > > > >> > Thanks.
