What would you propose doing about unions, then?  I'm interested, since
you obviously have pretty strong opinions.  Do you KNOW what things were
like before unionization durring the industrial revolution?  Do you know
what sort of things are going on in non-unionized locations throughout the
world?  In this country?  Do you think that any corporation or government
(foreign or domestic) gives a damn about factory workers?  If you know how
we can get rid of unions and keep our labor force safe, then by all means
enlighten me.  Corporations are large concentrations of power; what do you
suppose should offset that, especially in a time when we're seeing less and
less government intervention?  
        I hear a lot of shit being talked about unions, and a lot of whiners
complaining that they're out of control, but I've yet to hear someone come
up with a solution that doesn't involve screwing over a very large portion
of our society.  I'm perfectly happy discussing this matter all day.  

>one with a shite car built around it.  The Viper is not even anything
>remarkable in engineering, it is merely a big ass engine in a light chassis.

Good engineering is getting the job done using the simplist solution
possible.  The Viper did that.  It helped save the company, it's kicking
some serious ass in international road racing competitions, and it'll lap a
track faster than a ferrari 360 Modena AND get way more attention on the
street; all for WAY less $$$ than the competition.  Gee, yeah, that's not
good engineering.  Yeah, it's not elegant and beutiful and most of us
wouldn't want to drive one every day, and its a rattle trap, but it's
EFFECTIVE.

>You think a C5 or Camaro ASS ASS could keep up with me on this road?  You
>better bring your lunch.  The wheel base is too long and they are too prone
>to oversteer (no room for that on this road)  Straight line?  You would say
>Buh bye.  Curves?  Uh uh, ain't gonna happen.

How do you know he was trying?  If it's that windy you probably couldn't
even see him.  I know what I read from magazines and see on the streets and
tracks around here; and I have a hard time believing that a new C5 would
struggle with any of our cars unless the road was just too narrow for a
corvette to pass along. :)  

>Please, no one take any of this personally, but I have a lot of pent up
>anger towards Detroit and what life is like there and after growing up a
>starry eyed car nut and then seeing the realities of the industry, well
>let's just say that my bubble got busted.

I have no doubt that the industry sucks.  All I've seen and heard about
would lead me to believe that.  However, the same UAW that seems to be
killing GM seems to be keeping Ford and DaimlerChrysler afloat.  Why is
that?  I don't know more than about four or five people who've worked for
the big three, so I really am interested in your perspective.  What I've
_heard_ is mainly a tale of crappy product planning and out of control
management, not of bad engineers.  GM is one of the biggest companies in
the world and what I've heard is that they have a tremendous well of
untapped talent.

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