Singling out anyone who uses a particular device (iphone, whatever), doesn't win over anyone lurking the mailing list considering trying out Linux for the first time.
Pick your battles people. It's a LUG, we can do without the polarized views. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 2:40 AM, Nicholas Accad <[email protected]> wrote: > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Jean-Francois Theroux <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Stefan Monnier < > [email protected]> > > wrote: > >> > >> > I feel your pain. I had been looking at merging my ipod and my cell > >> > phone into one device. I bought a 3GS iphone. That phone is amazing > >> > and kudos to Apple to developing such a great device. BUT, you need > >> > itune to put music on it. And that's only available to Windows > >> > and OSX. > >> > >> Yes, there's a word for that in English: defective. > >> > >> > Luckily for me, I have a Windows gaming rig. > >> > >> That's an odd use of "lucky". > >> > >> > Hopefully our wonderful hackers will find a way around > >> > Apple's shenanigans. > >> > >> Instead, hopefully, you'll realize at some point that you're hurting > >> yourself and that you had better buy another product, one that doesn't > >> work against your freedom. > > > > I'd like to develop this further. Freedom does matter a lot to me in some > > cases. I want to be able to criticize my government, I don't want to be > > thown into jail for no reason, etc. I want my data to be stored in open > > formats. That's the stuff that matters to me. The fact that I need a > > software than runs on Windows to manage a device I picked and bought, > > totally irrelevant. And it is to most people who left their mom's > basement. > > Do you care that your Videotron/Bell cable devices are closed? Probably > not. > > > > For a living, I manage different types of Unix systems. Some open, some > > proprietary. Do I care? No. Does anyone in my team does? No way in hell. > > > > People should really stop seeing all this as religion. Once you start > > working at the enterprise level, you soon realize you have no choice but > to > > use proprietary software and hardware. Learn to live with it or stop > using > > technology altogether ;) > > > > > JF, > > That was totally uncalled for, you overstepped here. > > A lot of the people on this list, and I know a lot of them personally > well, as I know you, manage both types of systems, but most of us do > not hold your opinions expressed above, dare I say with you as the > exception we all value freedom more. > > When it comes to work and career we are sometimes forced to get the > propriety thing shoved down our throats. Some of us are luckier than > others and can afford to pick freedom first, most of us not so much. > > But when it comes to personal choice, to something that I chose to > use, and I will pay for it not the business, something that I control, > we will choose the freedom model. > > I really hated the insulting way you called every idealist "living in > his mother's basement", the fact that some people chose to forgo > financial gain to achieve a certain political and technological gain > and thus get stereotyped has nothing to do with it. If I remember > correctly, most of what you know would not have been possible if it > wasn't for the GPL and the FSF. > > Please do not confuse personal issues, and in the future I expect > better from everyone > > Thank you > -nick > _______________________________________________ > mlug mailing list > [email protected] > https://listes.koumbit.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mlug-listserv.mlug.ca >
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