> > Because Commons is afraid of the massive influx of selfies that will then > have to be deleted, binding admin time and upsetting the uploader (who is, > likely, not aware of the Commons policies). >
As was said before in this thread, some filtering at the source > (smartphone) will have to be implemented to keep everyone sane (YMMV). I understand apps are focusing on readership at the moment, but are there any investigations figuring out how to scale contribution workflows and/or moderation? I appreciate that this is a difficult problem, and I hope we're putting earnest effort into figuring out how to mitigate or solve it. I'm just troubled by some of the language used here, and elsewhere, which describes a "fear" of more users. I can't help but wonder how many companies or services would readily welcome a "massive influx of users." How will Wikipedia or Commons succeed if we're afraid growth? Also, aren't we dealing with this to a certain extent with Wikidata/Wikigrok? On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Jon Robson <[email protected]> wrote: > There seems to be two things in conflict when dealing with anything upload > related. > 1) uploading from a mobile phone is easy - that's a good thing > 2) uploading useful content to commons is difficult for most people > > Remember we made it super easy on web and we even limited who could see it > but people still uploaded selfies and copyvios. IMO the copyvios were an > attempt to be helpful. > > So I ask you what's more important - 1 or 2? The only really the commons > app was a roaring success was the lack of its brand value as Amir says most > "muggles" don't know what it is so this serves as a filter for people that > use the app. Folding this functionality into a Wikipedia app would make you > hit problem 2 and all the moderation problems associated with it. > On 15 Apr 2015 4:54 am, "Amir E. Aharoni" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > An Android Commons mobile app is probably the mandatory catalisator for >> hundreds of millions of people to participate to Commons. If you have only >> 300 unique users a month with an official Commons app, IMO the only thing >> it tells you is: the app is not good enough! >> >> Muggles (no offense, honestly) don't know what "Commons" is. >> >> Either we need to educate the world that Commons is an awesome repository >> of media that can compete with Flickr and Instagram, or we need to bundle >> it with the Wikipedia app, which a lot of people do have. >> >> Facebook unbundled the Messenger app from the Facebook app, and millions >> hate it, but the same millions use it because they are hooked too strongly, >> and Facebook has a super-strong interest in hooking people to the Messenger >> (the most popular explanation is that they want to transition it to a >> payment processing app). >> >> We are not in the business of hooking people, but in the business of >> sharing knowledge. I'd actually love the first thing to happen - to >> popularize the Commons as a truly free competitor to Flickr, etc. But at >> this point in time this appears to be a much higher-hanging fruit than >> adding easy image sharing functionality to the Wikipedia app. >> >> > But, these numbers are not a surprise to me. I have tested Commons *in >> real conditions* a year ago in Africa and the result was: almost impossible >> to upload picture to Commons (but no problem to upload the same pictures to >> Tumblr). >> >> I'm not sure that I understood: Is it because of server problems that we >> can fix, or because there is no app? >> >> -- >> Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי >> http://aharoni.wordpress.com >> “We're living in pieces, >> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mobile-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Mobile-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l > > -- EN Wikipedia user page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Brian.gerstle IRC: bgerstle
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