> > This does has a fair share of backend work + notifications, that come with > it.
Doesn't mean we shouldn't hack something together to prove it's worth doing—which I think it might be. On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Vibha Bamba <[email protected]> wrote: > Jan, > > You make a very good point with creating a staging area and having some > level of voting etc before uploads are committed. > This does has a fair share of backend work + notifications, that come with > it. > > We have much better means of preventing failure on native apps - with face > detection, exif data etc. > Apps and mobile web could also benefit from user curation on the lead > image. > > Some ideas in this vein are: > Enable uploads for nearby feature, because we know the user is actually at > that location. > Allow users to pick a lead image, using the existing gallery of the > article. > > In addition to system detecting, we need a component guiding the user as > to what an appropriate image is. > > Vibha > > > > > > > ---- > Vibha Bamba > Senior Designer | WMF Design > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Jon Robson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> On 15 Apr 2015 11:34 am, "Jan Ainali" <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > Perhaps some serious thought should go into guiding the user in what an >> appropriate upload is rather than just make it super easy to upload the >> very first time? >> We tried. This is a very very hard problem. Explaining copyright law is >> difficult and no matter how many barriers we put in place the instant >> gratification of having contributed something valuable overruled that. >> >> Didn't mobile web have around ~80% {{speedy}} and ~10% rightfully >> successful deletion requests? >> > >> > If I understand correctly Wikigrok will not be "direct editing" on >> Wikidata, but rather collecting data to see if it gets a good enough >> validity that there is a coherence on the data before a bot does the edit. >> How about trying something similar for images? Mobile upload to a staging >> area, where other app users can tag it as useful/spam/out-of-scope and >> perhaps even add categories to it before the actual upload to Commons >> happen? >> > >> >> Yeh this is definitely an option but we don't have infrastructure for >> this for images... >> > Med vänliga hälsningar, >> > Jan Ainali >> > >> > Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige >> > 0729 - 67 29 48 >> > >> > >> > Tänk dig en värld där varje människa har fri tillgång till >> mänsklighetens samlade kunskap. Det är det vi gör. >> > Bli medlem. >> > >> > >> > 2015-04-15 20:16 GMT+02:00 Jon Robson <[email protected]>: >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Brian Gerstle <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> Because Commons is afraid of the massive influx of selfies that >> will then >> >> >> have to be deleted, binding admin time and upsetting the uploader >> (who is, >> >> >> likely, not aware of the Commons policies). >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> As was said before in this thread, some filtering at the source >> >> >> (smartphone) will have to be implemented to keep everyone sane >> (YMMV). >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > I understand apps are focusing on readership at the moment, but are >> there >> >> > any investigations figuring out how to scale contribution workflows >> and/or >> >> > moderation? I appreciate that this is a difficult problem, and I >> hope we're >> >> > putting earnest effort into figuring out how to mitigate or solve it. >> >> > >> >> > I'm just troubled by some of the language used here, and elsewhere, >> which >> >> > describes a "fear" of more users. I can't help but wonder how many >> companies >> >> > or services would readily welcome a "massive influx of users." How >> will >> >> > Wikipedia or Commons succeed if we're afraid growth? >> >> >> >> +1. How we change this culture is the holy grail of Wikimedia's >> >> future. Unless we change this, our project will die imo. I was really >> >> saddened to see mobile uploads disappear from web - we had a lot of >> >> spam yes but we also had people posting never before available photos >> >> of diseases [1]. Our communities reaction seems to be to push back on >> >> influxes of new edits which makes me feel we should be spending more >> >> time on moderation tools - but so far I don't see any hint that this >> >> will become a focus. This is a bigger problem than web and apps but so >> >> far we see this more than most... I think this is something we'd have >> >> to convince Lila is a good use of our time... >> >> >> >> [1] >> http://wikimedia-l.wikimedia.narkive.com/AihmOoNe/mobile-image-upload >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Also, aren't we dealing with this to a certain extent with >> >> > Wikidata/Wikigrok? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Jon Robson <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> There seems to be two things in conflict when dealing with anything >> upload >> >> >> related. >> >> >> 1) uploading from a mobile phone is easy - that's a good thing >> >> >> 2) uploading useful content to commons is difficult for most people >> >> >> >> >> >> Remember we made it super easy on web and we even limited who could >> see it >> >> >> but people still uploaded selfies and copyvios. IMO the copyvios >> were an >> >> >> attempt to be helpful. >> >> >> >> >> >> So I ask you what's more important - 1 or 2? The only really the >> commons >> >> >> app was a roaring success was the lack of its brand value as Amir >> says most >> >> >> "muggles" don't know what it is so this serves as a filter for >> people that >> >> >> use the app. Folding this functionality into a Wikipedia app would >> make you >> >> >> hit problem 2 and all the moderation problems associated with it. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 15 Apr 2015 4:54 am, "Amir E. Aharoni" < >> [email protected]> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> > An Android Commons mobile app is probably the mandatory >> catalisator for >> >> >>> > hundreds of millions of people to participate to Commons. If you >> have only >> >> >>> > 300 unique users a month with an official Commons app, IMO the >> only thing it >> >> >>> > tells you is: the app is not good enough! >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Muggles (no offense, honestly) don't know what "Commons" is. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Either we need to educate the world that Commons is an awesome >> repository >> >> >>> of media that can compete with Flickr and Instagram, or we need to >> bundle it >> >> >>> with the Wikipedia app, which a lot of people do have. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Facebook unbundled the Messenger app from the Facebook app, and >> millions >> >> >>> hate it, but the same millions use it because they are hooked too >> strongly, >> >> >>> and Facebook has a super-strong interest in hooking people to the >> Messenger >> >> >>> (the most popular explanation is that they want to transition it >> to a >> >> >>> payment processing app). >> >> >>> >> >> >>> We are not in the business of hooking people, but in the business >> of >> >> >>> sharing knowledge. I'd actually love the first thing to happen - to >> >> >>> popularize the Commons as a truly free competitor to Flickr, etc. >> But at >> >> >>> this point in time this appears to be a much higher-hanging fruit >> than >> >> >>> adding easy image sharing functionality to the Wikipedia app. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> > But, these numbers are not a surprise to me. I have tested >> Commons *in >> >> >>> > real conditions* a year ago in Africa and the result was: almost >> impossible >> >> >>> > to upload picture to Commons (but no problem to upload the same >> pictures to >> >> >>> > Tumblr). >> >> >>> >> >> >>> I'm not sure that I understood: Is it because of server problems >> that we >> >> >>> can fix, or because there is no app? >> >> >>> >> >> >>> -- >> >> >>> Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי >> >> >>> http://aharoni.wordpress.com >> >> >>> “We're living in pieces, >> >> >>> I want to live in peace.” – T. 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